In nearly every swing state at this point, Biden is outperforming Obama and Clinton

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

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    The key point here that the article points out, as the polls now do not look like a mere repeat of 2016, which detractors love to point to noting that Trump won, despite the polls.

    What they ignore is that Hillary won the popular vote by 3 million, and the only reason she didn't become president is because Trump won in three key swing states, so their entire argument rises or falls on how well Trump will do in the swing states. If Trump can win by 77.000 votes in the swing states, all dems have to do is win by a greater margin, which will cure, easily, those deficits. And that does seem to be the case, currently.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...this-point-bidens-outperforming-obama-clinton

    While Trump and his allies have consistently raised his unexpected victory in 2016 as a reason to dismiss what the polls say, highlighting national polling pointing to a Clinton win in particular, 2020 doesn’t look like 2016 at this point. Biden’s not only outperforming where Clinton was at the end of the election and relative to where she was at the same point in the race — he’s also outperforming where Barack Obama was nationally and in key swing states in 2008 and 2012.

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    Trump won because he won three key swing states? But for four years we have been told that Trump won because he stole the election with the help of Putin.

    You ladies have to make up your minds.
     
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    trump won the EC by three swing states and less than 80,000 votes spread among those, between 0.3% to 0.8% of the state voter percentages.

    Russian interference, which has been proven by trump’s own administration, does not negate the above.
     
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    How many votes did the Russians switch from Hillary to Trump? About 80,000?
     
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    Wow. That is really interesting. I knew that Bidens margins were larger and more consistent than 2016, but i had no idea that he was outperforming Obama in those States as well.

    It should be noted that the swing states being analyzed here are obviously different today than they were in 2016, let alone in 2012 and 2008. But most of these states did ultimately go to Obama and it would be awesome to see them go to Biden as well.

    Florida still reads like the tipping point state to me. If Biden carries Florida, then trump is done. If Trump carries Florida, then he still needs several other states to break his way.
     
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    There is no inconsistency there. Russia meddling, Republican voter suppression, and Hillary's failure to campaign in the swing states, ALL contributed to Trump's narrow victory in those swing states. no liberal I know disagrees with this. You are being disingenuous in your cherry picking arguments.

    Moreover, if you review every post I've made thus far, you will find them entirely consistent with the above. I cannot speak for others, but, apparently you do.

    Please abstain from loaded language, thank you.
     
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    How many votes did Russia change from Hillary to Trump? About 80,000?
     
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    Or, if Biden wins Texas, it's all over. I think he's one point ahead there (45% B 44% T ) but it's still within the margin of error. But, TX is in play.
     
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    Reread my post: Russian meddling, Republican voter suppression, and Hillary's failure to campaign in the swing states, contributed to the win in those states.

    The operative word, Booman, is 'contributed'. The point is, your question is contrived because you know the answer is not knowable, yet you ask it anyway because you think you are being clever. There's word for it, it's called 'disingenuous'.
     
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    How did they meddle?
     
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    Well sure, but if he gets Texas, then Florida is long gone.
     
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    There are multiple reports written by Republicans on the subject.
     
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    And yet you couldn't list any examples.
     
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    I don’t believe a number has ever been produced or even guessed at, it would probably be impossible to ascertain — it is ironic that many people that call themselves patriots are fine with foreign meddling with our elections while demanding they be “secure”.

    It is irrelevant however, it was allowed, it will be allowed in the future — but trump was still elected by a margin of less than 80,000 votes. If all things remain and 40,000 change their vote a repeat will not happen.
     
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    How did they meddle?
     
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    Putin's meddling in the 2016 US presidential election to help Trump was confirmed by the FBI, NSA, CIA, and Republican-run Senate Intelligence Committee, but that is not the matter that is now relevant.

    The reason that diehard Trumpers should finally take Trump's current dismal polls seriously is because Trump is finally taking his current dismal polls seriously.

    He has finally stopped hysterically screeching "Fake!" when he is shown numbers he doesn't like, and is suddenly switching to the intelligent, responsible folk's side in promoting masks, social distancing, cancelling large gatherings like political conventions, etc.

    His having been an enthusiastic advocate of stupid had left him with only his remnant of abject, lickspittle pom-pom flailers.

    There was a surge of nearly 2 million new cases over the last month under his stupid approach.

    A series of Fox News polls this week showed Biden handily leading Trump in the battleground states of Pennsylvania, Michigan and Minnesota.

    A Washington Post-ABC News poll showed that just 38% of Americans approve of Trump's handling of the pandemic -- with 60% disapproving.

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    How did they meddle?
     
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    Propaganda aimed towards and focused on the ignorant, the uniformed, the uneducated and the intellectually challenged. Social media made reaching these folks very easy, especially for an entity highly skilled in the area of spreading false and misleading information.
     
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    And that swayed the election? Russians posted stuff on Facebook.

    Hilarious.
     
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    What don't you understand about the characteristics and the gullibility of the folks I just described to you?
     
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    Where this argument. breaks down is the fact that Hillary Clinton's presence on social media was exponentially bigger than Russia regarding the election. So she should have won. Aside from that saying gullible people were taken in by Russia is just an opinion it's not a fact in any way.
     
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    Despite the fact that Clinton did in fact win the popular vote, that is not the point. And if I remember correctly, the Clinton campaign did not employ these tactics of utilizing the technology of social media and analytics.
     
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    I never said anything about tactics. I simply said she had a bigger presence on social media. She lost because she is corrupt and completely unlikable. Aside from that she ran a terrible campaign.
     
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    But they did not utilize the Internet and media with sophisticated propaganda tactics.
     
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    See the official report of the Republican-run Senate Select Committee on Intelligence that confirmed the finding of the FBI, NSA, and CIA:
    https://www.burr.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/SSCI ICA ASSESSMENT_FINALJULY3.pdf

    Please try to focus on the current topic.

     
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