Iran called Trump's bluff

And if he had went through with the attack, you would be griping about that as being too provocative.

 

yep, which is why Trump and Obama did not risk war over their bluffs - not worth it

bluffs are cheap, don't cost a dime, but sometimes they get called on them

 

Trump has this overblown view of the power of television. Somehow he has gotten it into his head that acting like a T.V. character instead acting like a President is advantageous for him. However, again, his audience is his base. They love it when talks this.



This sounds more like a scene for Madam Secretary than an interview with an American President. Trump was very dramatic as he saved the world from Armageddon.

 

I am glad Trump backed down. I do not trust Pompeo, Bolton or the MIC.

 

And the U.S.

The Iraqi army and air force were defeated before the first bomb was dropped in the Second Iraq War. There is a reason it took less than a month for U.S. forces to capture Baghdad.

Yet the war dragged on for over eight years. The coalition forces lost over 5,000 dead and 30,000 wounded. It is estimated that over one million Iraqis were killed. The CBO estimated about $1.9 trillion, or $6,300 per U.S. citizen, was spent on the Iraq War..

The IRGC has no such problem and they are very well trained and extremely dedicated. They have some of the most sophisticated warplanes on the planet along with ballistic missiles and cruise missiles that can hit our ships. If she can hit a drone, she can hit an aircraft carrier, or a guided missile cruiser or destroyer. Her proxies can attack American forces in Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, and various areas of the Arabian Peninsula. Sounds like you want that.

The Iraq War would be a walk in the park compared to a war with Iran and her proxies. Adding to the size of the conflict, Israel would likely join the hostilities.

Trump doesn't seem aware of what he started when he trashed the JCPOA.

 

With any issue Trump is facing, unless it is with a communist dictators like Kim and Putin, Trump uses threats upfront. Not negotiations, not diplomacy, his first tool are threats. It might have worked in construction, but it doesn't work in foreign relations.

Well, he ran up against a country that called his bluff and now he is backing down.

 

Well now that you've washed your hog you want to join the rest of us in the real world?

 

Again, you are indicating that your supposed military background is not what you say it is. Otherwise you would know that the same weapons able to shoot down a Global Hawk drone would do little more than scratch a carrier, cruiser, or even a destroyer.

 

My hope is, at least he won't do that to the tune of giving them hundreds of millions of dollars... that they can then use for their nuclear weapons program.

 

Blah blah blah....
Its all about the dollar...
Last week Iran switched from the dollar to the euro...
US will go into Iran and the world will believe the bullshit justification for it....
Just like Iraq...
Nothing changes...same sh1t...different depth.....

 

Oh, please believe me, Sandy -- I was not (NOT) in favor in any way of starting a war with Iraq in 2003! Not at all! For one thing, competent intelligence-gathering organizations, like the German Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), among others, had told us clearly that Saddam did not (NOT) have the means or material to make "weapons of mass destruction" -- certainly nothing beyond some very old gas stockpiles, but nothing nuclear! We were also told that Saddam had put this fiction out to keep Iran from attacking him -- again -- and having another war between Iraq and Iran like they had had in the 1980's.

Iran is very different, and very dangerous for a number of reasons which I won't bore you by going into again. One comparison between Iran and the old Iraq is revealing -- Saddam ran a corrupt, tyrannical SECULAR dictatorship... but Iran since 1979 has been run by a clot of religious extremists who are convinced that they must prepare the way for a new Muslim "Messiah" to come to Earth and destroy all the "Infidels".... Can you imagine for one moment what it would mean if this insane regime came into possession of thermonuclear hydrogen bombs and the ICBM's to deliver them with...?

Focusing on today's warfighting capability, though, do not be deceived, Sandy... the United States could utterly destroy the military structure and content of Iran in no more than a few weeks -- and never even bother to use a single nuclear weapon to do it! We wouldn't have to put any "boots-on-the-ground", either!

I suggest you take a while and become familiar with the latest U. S. development of THERMOBARIC WEAPONS. They can do just as much destruction as nuclear weapons, but it would take more of them... but don't worry... we have LOTS of them!

"All the destruction -- none of the radiation!"

 

Nice to have a president thinking things through and not making the same sort of mistakes Obama made in Libya and the rest of the Middle East

 

I can emphatically agree with you about Obama and Libya! Obama broke (BROKE) the War Powers Law and used American military power to overthrow the government of Libya for no reason that had anything to do with the United States! We weren't being threatened, and no American interests were in jeopardy. In fact, we had been completely at peace with Libya's government for many years... but "Messiah" Obama decided to inject the United States into Libya's purely internal civil war....

NOW, just look at Libya! It's a hotbed of internecine warfare between warring clots of Islamo-Nazis -- so chaotic and dangerous that we had to shut our embassy in Tripoli exactly five years ago, and it has never been reopened since!

That said, I think it sets a very bad precident for any American president to refuse to take punitive action when American assets are destroyed over international waters or in international airspace -- merely because of getting 'cold feet' at the idea of 150 enemy personnel being killed. How cold would his feet get if he were presented with a situation in which 150 THOUSAND enemy personnel might be killed?!

I voted for Trump, and will probably need to do so again (based on what I see floating in the Democrat political toilet) -- but THIS WAS THE WRONG DECISION!

 

What gave you the idea I meant the same weapon? Iran has multiple types of ballistic missiles with various ranges and cruise missiles intended to sink ships.

I don't recall saying much about my military background.

 

I can't believe it. In view of what is happening with respect to Iran, these two are talking about a President we had 2 1/2 years ago and he has nothing to do with the current crisis.

Trump's fans will talk about anyone as long as it isn't Trump.

 

I was talking about trump

 

The President is not interested in any war with Iran. However, if offers an opportunity for a fractious tweet or an obstreperous screed he will not hesitate.

 

I never said you did. My first sentence was a response to your last sentence.

Yeah, Bush and Cheney thought that about Iraq. The war last for over eight years at a tremendous cost in lives and treasure. We still have 5,000 troops there.

Yeah, Bush and Cheney thought that about Afghanistan. Eighteen years later we are still fighting that war at a tremendous cost in lives and treasure. We still have 14,000 troops there.

Those who ignore the past are condemned to relive it. George Santayana

 

At what point would Iranian attacks against U.S. assets troops, etc. would you think a military response would be appropriate?

 

NBC is copying my material. I said this a year ago. It's okay. Plagiarism is the best form of flattery.

WASHINGTON — To supporters of the Iran nuclear deal, it's no surprise that President Donald Trump is now facing a potential war with Iran.

Long before Trump was elected, advocates of the nuclear agreement had argued that abandoning the accord carried grave risks that could lead to an armed conflict.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/na...ump-pulling-out-iran-nuke-deal-could-n1020461

 

You don't seem to understand. Trump got us in a huge mess, and his supporters are asking others what we should do.

Don't ask others how to get out of the mess Trump created. There are few options, and they are all bad.

Beginning with his destruction of the JCPOA which permanently barred Iran from making a nuke and imposing sanctions on Iran along with recent military movements, Trump has engaged in unending provocation against Iran, almost like he was inviting Iran to strike back.

Well, now she has and Trump is clueless. He does not know what to do. He embarrassed the United States by evoking a military response, and, when he got one, Trump resorted to economic sanctions.

Now fans are asking Trump's critics what he should do about it. At this point no one knows, least of all the Trump White House. Trump's incompetence and naïveté combined with the absence of a qualified defense secretary for the past six months has created a very serious problem for our country.

 

You are absolutely right! No disagreement whatever! Does that surprise you?

The handling of Saddam Hussein's post-'Desert Storm' Iraq was one of the things that Bill Clinton did RIGHT! He bottled Saddam up in his 'palaces', continued the no-fly interdiction over Iraq, and let him sit there and FESTER for years.

Where Idiot "W" Bush screwed up was in deciding (after being fed loads of very unprofessionally slip-shod 'intel reports' for months) that we needed to stage a land invasion of Iraq, and then to occupy the damned thing. Really, REALLY stupid idea! So, toppling Saddam was child's play -- but then came all the idiocy, expense, and further fatalities directly related to Bush's "nation-building" mission! And he did essentially the SAME thing in Afghanistan... as you pointed out!

Along came Idiot "Messiah" Obama, who promised early on in 2008 to get us out of both of these Islamo-sewers -- but -- after taking some of the troops out of Iraq, he LEFT about a contingent of about 20,000 troops and "contractors" inside the "Green Line" in Baghdad to protect the gigantic embassy we built there -- and they remain at roughly that strength to this very day! And, as you pointed out, we still have a very large 'mission' going on in Afghanistan -- thanks to Bush, Obama, AND now, Donald Trump, too!

So now we've got an increasingly intolerable situation with Iran -- and the answer is surprisingly simple -- so long as we keep to this plan -- bomb the living hell out of all Iranian military bases, command centers, and storage depots with non-nuclear weapons (thermobaric bombs). Then, after this insane Muslim theocracy has been destroyed, we leave, and give everyone else in Iran one warning: "Now, you formulate any kind of government you want, and have a nice day. But if you ever pose a serious threat or take hostile actions against the United States or our allies again, we'll be back...."

No 'nation-building'... no 'boots-on-the-ground'... we leave -- period!

 

Because you thought the "B" in CBG (Carrier Battle Group) stood for "battleship"!!!

Awfully certain of yourself given that no American ship has ever been hit by a ballistic missile

 

Yeah, Iran has lots of stuff, and, probably, most of it works reasonably well.

So, to be on the safe side, we need to remove all our shipping from any close proximity to Iran, and then send in the bombers with full loads of thermobaric, non-nuclear bombs. END of problem, and, END of Iran as it is known today....

What we learned (or should have learned during World War II) is that modern wars are won with AIR POWER. We can effectively put Iran back into the 10th-century where many of them yearn to be, and never have to put even ONE "boot-on-the-ground"....

. "Yeah, you stinkin' Infidels -- so, I got air power, too!"

 

Clinton, Bush, Obama? You are doing your level best to confuse the issue. This is about Trump and is failing Iranian policy, and there is plenty to discuss without bringing up ancient history.