Is Anyone Happy with TrumpCare?

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Fake Don promised "something terrific!" healthcare reform that would "cover everybody!" at "less cost!"

    Nearly three years into the Era of Trumpery, the already obscenely-exorbitant cost of US healthcare continues to rise, millions more are uninsured, and they have their bloated medical costs routinely dumped on the taxpayer.

    Of course, Trump routinely lies, but the powerful parasites that feed off the system feverishly lobby and carrot-and-stick congressman to keep their turgid cash cow permanently on the extravagant life support.

    Medicare for All is the actuarily-sound approach as repeatedly demonstrated by advanced nations, but is still politically impracticable in the US.

    Millions of Americans derive their living by performing multiply-duplicated functions in multiply-duplicated granfalloons that recompense multiple-duplicated executives with multiply-duplicated exorbitant compensation packages, as well as consigning a sizable portion of every health care dollar to agency compensation, overhead, advertising, marketing, and the aforementioned industrial-strength lobbying. This is a shamefully inefficient use of the healthcare dollar.

    Progress is desperately needed, but abrupt progress is as prudent as putting the pedal to the metal when the traffic light turns green.

    The nation, confronting the ever-rising cost of TrumpCare (amidst the inevitable monumental cost of mitigating anthropogenic climate change) must adopt a better approach.

    I had previously suggested an incremental lowering of the Medicare eligibility age that would progressively incorporate lower-risk demographics into the pool, but the US has 50 laboratories where alternative approached can be tried. Economy of scale demands national participation to be optimal, but a state by state approach may contribute to a solution.
    Eventually, the federal government will have to extract itself from the private sector, and stop paying billions of taxpayer dollars in subsidies to divert employers' pursuit of profit to administer the plethora of diverse, group health plans (a diversity that increases cost at the provider end as well, obviously.)

    Progress must happen, but entrenched special interests and dogmatic ideologues will vehemently oppose it.

    An incremental approach is far superior to an unsustainable stagnation.
     
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  2. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    What is Trumpcare?
     
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    Exactly!
     
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    Trump FanBoys avoid the topic of Trump Care like it was the plague.
     
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    The house holds all the cards and you blame Trump?
     
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    Well I wouldn't avoid it if there actually was such a thing. The nation still has Obamacare.
     
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    Whatever "Trump Care" is supposed to be, I don't like being -forced- by the government to buy anything, so Trump Care is OKdandy with me so far.
     
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    The ACA individual mandate is gone. That’s all I care about. Sorry you didn’t get the goodies you want. Bummer.
     
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    I went shopping (about 6 years ago) for a catastrophic health insurance plan, something like a 10K deductible, nothing was available. I am obligated to my employer plan. I know everyone is not in my position but I feel like I can handle the first $10,000 of my medical needs but I can't find a policy.
     
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    Yep. Did the same thing back then. My agent tried to help me but we finally gave up. This mess was created intentionally. He told me there was a cap on deductible by law. Can’t remember what it was, but was way lower than what I wanted. It’s proof health insurance hasn’t been health insurance for years. It’s been intentionally pushed towards 100% socialized medicine for years. And the consumer has been led along like sheep to slaughter.

    So, I’m in my employer “plan”, too. But the catch is I’m self employed. :)
     
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    I have read stories that if you negotiate with the doctor to pay cash for a procedure etc, you can get a really good price. In other words, free market healthcare.
     
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    Speaking of trumpcare. I understand that so far he's spent more money caring for the farmers than Obama did rescuing the auto industry.
     
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    That is true. Ask me how I know...
     
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    What is TrumpCare?

    All ObamaCare taxes, regulations and requirements are still intact except the individual mandate.

    So, it's still ObamaCare minus the individual mandate.
     
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    Wow an amazing attempt to radically change the topic.

    I've also heard Trump spent more on cruise missiles on target to Syria than Obama did. Not related to the topic at all, but since you are throwing out non sequiturs...
     
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    I'd rather you tell me how you know.
     
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    I’ve learned the hard way. Between my wife and I, we’ve been to a doctor once each over the last 20 years. Both with bone severe bone fractures from ATV accidents. We’ve never had insurance.

    If you simply pay what is charged, some will automatically give you the low private pay rate. The one that puts the same money in their pocket as insurance payment. Essentially they split the billing, interest, and time cost savings with you. You both win.

    Others will charge the other private pay rate. The BIG one. They win big, you lose.

    You are correct. You communicate. You treat them like car salesmen. When they lie, you stand up to them. When the checker at Walmart tries to screw you out of a “half a yard” you open your mouth. It works the same with healthcare “professionals”.
     
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    The topic is trump and his failure as president. I don't feel anything negative about trump is off topic.
     
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    It's the same of Obamacare except with the party in power constantly trying to sabotage it.
     
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    Your signature has run dry..really?
     
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    I'm happy. I have the freedom to opt out of the insurance scheme/scam, with the only consequence being the risk to my own health and finances should I fail to keep myself healthy and/or insured. A vast improvement over just a few years ago.
     
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    Please read the subject line.
     
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    Well at least that's an attempt at a joke.

    I hope that's not part of your tight 5.
     
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    So, there is no TrumpCare? Good to know.
     
  25. Natty Bumpo

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    It is Fake Don's singular achievement, empowered by a subservient Republican-controlled Senate and a subservient Republican-controlled House.

    The US has, by far, the most costly healthcare on earth where prices continue to climb under Trumpery, and millions more are now uninsured, having their bloated medical bills routinely assigned to the taxpayer.

    That after years of Congressional Republicans and Fake Don vowing to replace 'ObamaCare' "immediately!"- and controlling the Executive, the Senate, and the House for two full years, to enable them to all actually do as they brayed they would do.

    Normal Americans are concerned with the ongoing, unsustainable disaster. Others are afraid that criticizing Fake Don (having failed and fixated on spewing pissy tweets rather that governing) is a sacrilege.

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    Remember when Trump's promise of "something terrific!" healthcare that covers "everybody!" at "less cost!" was fulfilled?
    That was the happiest that white guys can be with their pants on!"
    (Although some say Gohmert [top center] forgot to wear his for the occasion.)​
     
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