Is Taxation Theft?

It's wrong to take forcibly take what belongs to your neighbor. There's really no getting around that. Wealth redistribution is a morally bankrupt policy.

 

Yea, the USA is turning into a rat hole where the 99% must give most of what they earn to the 1%:

No. You SUBMIT to paying taxes the moment you become a United States citizen. If you don't like it, pack your things and leave. Start your own country.

Morality is irrelevant. A "moral" "civil" society cannot function through voluntary donations. It is not human nature.

 

Perhaps. But we are specifically talking about wealth redistribution here, and that is clearly immoral. It's wrong to take what belongs to others.

 

A dollar bill does not have your name on it.

 

So therefore it is right to take dollars by force from one's neighbor?

 

So if another person brandishes a weapon and mugs you and you SUBMIT and give them your money, then there is no theft taking place? Your rationalization being that you can simply move to a nicer neighborhood? If this is so it seems that your response to Longshot quite eloquently describes your position: “Morality is irrelevant.”
If morality is irrelevant, why do you give a damn about the existence of a “moral” and “civil” society? The obvious answer is that you don't. What do you care about? Why does it matter to you if people acknowledge theft as theft if morality is irrelevant?

 

You chose to be a citizen. You didn't choose to get robbed. You are free to leave at any time. You have every right to do so.

 

Which has exactly nothing to do with wealth redistribution being wrong.

 

It has everything to do with it. You gave CONSENT.

 

Save for immigrants, no one chooses to be a citizen of any nation. People don't choose to be taxed and people do not have the right to relocate to another country any time they want to. Nations are weirdly particular about who moves in and out of their borders.
Why would any of that matter anyway? If you can move to a nicer neighborhood, does that mean that muggings in your neighborhood don't constitute theft?

edit: "you agreed to live in Chicago, if you don't like the violence you can get out!"

 

Wealth redistribution is still wrong. It's wrong to take what belongs to others.

 

Tax revenue does not belong to you.

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You chose to live here. Like I said, you are free to leave at any time if you do not wish to abide by our rules. You can start your own tax-free country.

 

Yes, clearly by being on that particular section of sidewalk, you consent to the mugging. It's obvious.

 

It is wrong for the tax collector to take what previously belonged to others and make it his own.

 

Like I said,

 

So your position is: “nu uh!” I don't mind saying that this is not a very satisfying argument.

 

62 pages over a very simple question .

What is theft ? the removal of something that is yours
Who validates and safeguards what is yours? the state though it's laws and monopoly in violence

If you don't pay taxes there can be no state so nobody to validate and guarantee your property claims .

 

And if you don't like it, you can found New Freedomton in Antarctica, that's both fair and possible.

 

Yes, it has been taken and now belongs to the tax collector. It is wrong for the tax collector to take what once belonged to another person and make it his own. That's why I oppose wealth redistribution.

 

My position is you are arguing a complete fallacy.

The dollar bills in your pocket do not have your name on it.

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Actually, a U.S. dollar is a loan document from the treasury. It is not yours or someone elses. It is credited to your bank account through the clearinghouse, and destroyed when you pay taxes.

 

Are roads free?

Are schools free?

Do policemen enforce the law for free?

Do fireman put out fires for free?

 

This is how Federal Taxes actually work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hhCs9r33tM&feature=youtu.be

 

who said that they must do those things for free? Why, however, must govt guns be pointed at people to pay for them? Why can't govt be restricted to logical minimums, and people PAY for what they use, like roads, and those who don't use them dont have to pay, hmm? If you want enforcemtn of your contracts, PAY for it, but If I don't care, why should I have to pay. Of course taxes are theft. I never authorized anybody to take one damned dime from me, and if I didn't have to kill them by the million, I'd fix it.

 

Are you seriously attempting to argue that only those doing business in US dollars owe taxes to the US government?

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Is bread free?

Is electricity free?

Does the plumber fix your pipes for free?

Does the mechanic fix your car for free?