Is there anyone who still believes Trump? Why?

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Would that were true, but as long as the Loser persists in lying about losing and dupes some of his worshipers with his self-serving lie, his damaging democracy is relevant and can't be swept under the carper as some would wish.

    Neither ideological entertainment media, nor hyper-partisan politics are the proper venues for dispassionate consideration of the matter at this point. Fortunately, over 600 Trump goons who attacked the police defending democracy on January 6 are being brought to justice, and the evidentiary standards of our judicial system may be the path to the vital truth the nation craves.


    We are a nation of laws and not of men. That does not mean that the disgruntled will not rage against adverse rulings, but America's system of jurisprudence is the best method of exposing the truth we have devised, even as some are desperate to hide it.
     
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  2. independentthinker

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    This is America. People have the right to believe what they want. What does it matter? Who cares what other people think? It's not important.
     
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    independentthinker Well-Known Member

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    Democracy means people have the right to believe what they want. Why do you want to take their democracy away?
     
  4. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Donor

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    You have conflated democracy with a fantasy.
     
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    Noone Well-Known Member

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    Nonsense, if we (Americans) lose faith in OUR elections we lose faith in our foundation of government. What Benedict Donald is doing is a direct assault on Our way of life.
     
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    Then why have political campaigns?
    Your judgement is highly questionable.
     
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    Wow! Got that Trump phobia big time, eh?
     
  8. independentthinker

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    Do people have first amendment rights to believe an election was stolen? Or, do you want to take Democracy away by refusing to let them have their own opinion? Simple question.
     
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    Do people have first amendment rights to say an election was stolen? Or, do you want to take Democracy away?
     
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    But we did have a political campaign and Biden won. Trump lost. Why can't you accept the results of the election? Does Trump & Co have first amendment rights or not? Don't they have the right to say that the election was stolen? Isn't that what our country is all about, first amendment rights? Why do you want to take democracy away?
     
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  11. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Donor

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    Why do you folks keep asking that question when it is Trump and The Following who won't accept the result of the election?
     
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    That's not the point, your smug logic is an inverted way of defending the indefensible attack Benedict Donald has made on reason, truth and the American way of life since the day he was inaugurated. But I appreciate your continuing with your nonsense it's a great mount point for pointing out the extremes Donald Judas tRump goes to, to gain power and destroy our government.
     
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    Why do you want to take American's first amendment rights away? This is the US. People have the right to say the election was stolen. That is what this country is all about, that's why it is the FIRST amendment. Why do you want to eliminate democracy? Who cares what Trump says? Why can't YOU accept the results of the 2020 election?
     
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    Why are you for eliminating American's first amendment rights? Why do you want to take democracy away? People have the right to say the election was stolen if they so choose.
     
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    I'm not taking anything away, they are promoting a demonstrably false assertion the attacks the foundation of the Government that gives them their First Amendment rights.
     
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    This has nothing to do with “faith,” silly boy. Trump sees things from the inside-out. Although he’s extremely wealthy, he nevertheless understands the world from the perspective of one who is not embroidered in the political/financial establishment. He has always chosen to be independent and himself, and that’s something sheep like yourself would consider “abnormal.”

    This is why minority groups and nations like the Iranians and Mexicans, who operate and interact with the world from the perspective of street-knowledge, know that the elections were stolen. It’s only the naiive and white leftists who are too blinded by the BS that is spewed by the establishment for them to see what Trump is talking about.

    In other words, you think the elections being stolen is a “fairy tale” only because your brain has been hard-wired in a particular fashion whereby it blocks certain phenomena from your own perception. You literally can’t see the truth because your mind is so inundated with false beliefs.

    No, that’s what an individual who doesn’t know the game would ask. Given that you yourself were most likely raised in a scholastic and suburban environment, I don’t expect you to see what the hell Trump is talking about.

    In other words, if you were to get robbed, you would undoubtedly call the police (Uncle Sam). In the world of the streets, things are done differently. From the looks of it, you wouldn’t last one day in prison….
     
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    For some, politics is the weird worship of one dude.

    The Loser lost. He and his worshippers must summon a modicum of testicular fortitude, and accept the will of the People and the truth rather than persist in crapping on democracy.

    His goons who attacked Congress because they bought his lie must accept justice. The Loser's goons injuring over 140 police is inexcusable.

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    The fact that you refer to Trump in the fashion that you do shows how unsatisfied you are with your own self-worth. That’s something that I can’t help you with.

    Nevertheless, if Mr. Trump truly lost, then Reality should reflect this idea. But as we can see in the world today, it’s increasingly looking like Karma is having its way on those who stole it from him….
     
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    If you need to demean the U.S. Congress and the Vice President for recognizing the Loser as the Loser of the 2020 presidential election on January 6, that is an aberrant notion.
    The Loser lost, and that made him the Loser, regardless of his inability to accept that reality.

    Only the weird worshipers of one dude cling to the Loser's lie.

    (Of course, the Loser has secured that designation by an unbroken series of losses since November 3 - recounts, audits, dozens of court challenges, etc.

    Consider the ensuing headlines:

     
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    So, the first amendment gives people the right to promote a demonstrably false assertion. It's done all the time.
     
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    When an x-president does it, leading his millions of supporters around by the nose, challenging the foundations of our society, it's unprecedented, it's divisive of our nation that he swore to unite, it despicable; Constitutional or not.
     
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    So, you're saying that Americans shouldn't have first amendment rights, including Trump and that we should take first amendment rights away from the ones we disagree with.
     
  23. Lee Atwater

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    Nowhere does he say that.
     
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    So your conflating nonsense to first amendment rights. <-period (not a question)

    It's well established that freedom of speech ends when it becomes a danger, typical example is yelling fire in a theater when there is no fire causing panic, and risk to the population of theater goers. Trump claiming OUR 2020 election was fraudulent is false and is causing damage to the fabric of our society and government, it is a risk to the population of ALL Americans. Thanks for forcing me to think that through and proving you "free speech" argument dangerous nonsense.
     
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