ISIS threatens to topple Hamas tyrants in Gaza

We have had this discussion before. Even less connection with original salafism and many if not most Salafis today. Wahhabism is the most important link

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alastair-crooke/isis-wahhabism-saudi-arabia_b_5717157.html

 

Saudi Arabia is largely Wahhabi, but most people in other countries who call themselves Wahhabi ... aren't..

Meanwhile KSA arrested 431 ISIS types divided into two functions.. Half were training suicide bombers and half were building bombs.

 

Since you cannot bring yourself to compare Gaza and Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, I'll do it for you. There's not much difference in the way both entities fight, go about daily business, administer their affairs or take care of their citizens.

 

They're all home made out of coke tins and marmalade.

The lone defiant act available to them.

 

What for artists in craftsmanship ... to build out of this stuff full working and original looking AK-47, RPG-7 and whatever else!

by the way ... you saw TV report about KFC deliveries through these tunnels to Sinai? In Gaza ordered at KFC in next Egyptian town and then delivered within 2hours to the customer. Be aware if there are really chicken things in the boxes

 

If you read the article you will see the relationship - my quote gets to the nitty gritty of it.

 

Ibn Saud was raised by his uncle, the Emir of Kuwait who was a statesman and profoundly anti-Wahhabi.

Since I lived around them for nearly two decades, I can assure you they are not like ISIS.. The reject everything that ISIS stands for and in the past three years younger, educated Saudi clerics have said that much of what passes for Islam in country is not... It is a matter of tribal customs that were adapted because of 400 years of ignorance under the Ottoman Empire.

The Saudi king rules by consensus... that involves the family, the merchant class, the technocrats, the clerics and the Sheikhs ..........

Alstaire Cooke is not a good authority on KSA.

 

Not even through Egyptian crossing? Powerful them Israelies indeed...

 

Gaza is not made up of religious fanatics.

 

A lot of Islamic States of Iraq and Syria citizens are not religious fanatics either.

Any other similarities between Gaza and ISIS that you can think of?

 

There is of course the obvious...Both are Muslim and commit acts considered terrorism by most outside the Muslim world. Both have made it very, very clear that "western" societies are to be considered evil enemies and thus destroyed by whatever means are available.

Personally...I much prefer they kill each other vs. me and mine.

 

He is a very good authority on the ME

 

There was no HAMAS until the mid 1980s... Why do you suppose they came into being so late in the timeline?

 

In what way does this speak to the content of my post?

Regardless...Hamas came into being to counter the State of Israel and through election. They are also Muslim and commit acts consider terror by western societies. If anything you have managed to clarify my point.

 

People of faith or people who own guns may cause more, and the group that causes the most deaths and terror might be males.




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The Jewish terror groups came into being in 1922.. HAMAS and Hezbollah didn't exist until the mid 1980s..

Here's a long list of right wing domestic terror events or failed plots that dates back 25 years. Frankly I had forgotten most of them.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/publications/terror-from-the-right

 

I'd love to see ISIS and Hamas go at it. That's right up there with ISIS and Hezbollah weeding each other out of the gene pool.

 

I am sorry to disappoint you.. He is not good authority..

 

I am sorry to disappoint you.. He is not good authority..

 

I agree. Unfortunately, there's no other way to stop them from spreading their ideology, as you said. They must be wiped out for the sake of humanity's future.

 

You're right about that, Margot, but he was a very good host of Masterpiece Theatre.

 

I agree - there is no way to stop the spread of their ideology - even if we wiped ISIS out someone else is going to spread it.

However, the unique problem that ISIS poses is its "caliphate" and people's attraction to it. AQ and other stateless, transnational jihadist groups never controlled any territory of their own, declared it an Islamic state and declared their leader Caliph. It's this territorial aspect about ISIS and its head of state that really needs to be dealt with, and the only way to achieve that is by wiping them and their caliphate off the face of the earth. Social media campaigns aren't going to get the job done.

 

Oh wait let me guess. Its Israel's fault. Been there done that. Thanks.

Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiya ("Islamic Resistance Movement"), was founded by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, a Palestinian cleric of the Muslim Brotherhood. How about you ask him. Oh wait he's dead. How about you ask your beloved government why they supported and financed it?

Yassin established Hamas as the Brotherhood's local political arm in December 1987. It was his decision to embrace violence as a method of political expression ask him and know don't pose him as not having free will and forced to become violent by big bad Israel. Save it.

He chose to lead his people with violence. No one else. Him and his fellow Muslim Brotherhood extremists.

He decided violence was the method to use to destroy Israel not just oppose Israeli control of the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem.

Read his charter.It didn't and to this day doesn't call for simply the removal of Israel from the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem. It still to this day calls for the destruction of Israel and the establishment of an Islamic society in where Israel is today and to kill Jews world wide as infidel as part of a religious holy war.


He did what he did to undermine the Oslo accords from coming about. He set off a suicide campaign in April 1993, five months before PLO leader Yasir Arafat and Israeli prime minister Yitzhak Rabin signed the Oslo Accords.

Let me spell it out as clear as can be.

Hamas comes from the Muslim Brotherhood. The he group was established by the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood.

It was created to provide a vehicle for the Muslim Brotherhood to be able to promote violent confrontation against
Israel without exposing the Brotherhood and its network of social welfare and religious institutions to Israeli retaliation. No different then how the Palestinian authoity has two wings, one referring to itself as politicians, the other (Fatah, Al Asqa Martyr Brigade) remaining extremist terrorist. No different then how Hamas has two units, one politicians, the other the actual terrorists carrying out the attacks.

This is the same Muslim Brotherhood responsible for spinning off ISIL with its supporters Obama and Erdogan of as well as former President Morsi of Egypt.

This is the same Muslim Brotherhood that Saudi Arabia once financed until it turned against Saudi Arabia.


Go find out who financed it. Go find out who was its chief financier uwas ntil it turned on them-Saudi Arabia.

The Muslim Brotherhood -you know who they are? Here's a hint. Obama's half brother is their chief financier for the Sudan government, the one currently involved in continued genocide of Christians in Sudan. The same Brotherhood whose ally Morsi called on the people of Egypt to wipe out Coptic Christians and who welcomed terrorists in to the Sinai to launch attacks against Israel and who equipped Hamas with cement and weapons to build tunnels into Israel while Palestinians starved.

This is the same Muslim Brotherhood who placed 8 members in Obama's inner office and were welcomed to the White House as benevolent liberal progressives. This is the same Hamas removed like the Muslim Brotherhood from terrorist lists along with Iran and Hezbollah by Obama who calls them legitimate peace partners.

This is the same brotherhood that financed the Taliban and created Al Quaeda two organizations indirectly financed by Saudi Arabia.

This is the same Brotherhood who is trying to depose Abdullah in Jordan.

This is the same Brotherhood who Obama's blood father was a member of and whose relatives in Kenya are members of and who support extremists in Somalia, Rwanda, Malawi, Senegal, Chad, Dahomey,Nigeria, Niger, Morrocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Sudan, Iraq, bahrain, Yemen and Egypt.

This is the same Brotherhood Obama stated would lead the ME into progressive propsperity and showed Yemen as the model nation of stability it created. Yemen-the utopia of the ME.

This is the same Brotherhood who lost control of ISIS in Libya and Iraq.

 

No, what I said points out that your comparison is total and abject garbage.

 

http://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantreport/isis-cia-creation-justify-war-abroad-repression-home/