Islam v The United States: How To Diffuse a Political Time-Bomb

I wish Australia was Uncle Sam's enemy. The US might be able to beat Oz.

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It's western leftism that Muslims hate. Feminism threatens Muslim patriarchy. You really can't blame the Muslims for resisting western leftism.

 

I did not look up Islam in my dictionary and I didn't say that I did. I looked up the word religion, and it mentions Christianity and Buddhism, but not Islam. And it mentions that religions have a code of ethics, which is just the opposite of Islam. And your link does go to the dictionary, but not any part where there is any mention of Islam.

NO, the entire world does NOT accept Islam as a religion, and that part of it that does are either "extreme" liars, or "extreme" suckers. Either way it is "extreme" to call Islam a religion, and simply absurd.

This shows your disingenuousness. I gave you a lengthy link list of many who know Islam is NOT a religion, and YOU KNOW most people agree with that. YOU KNOW.

If so, so what ? The US does many wrong things, the war in Vietnam, the war in Iraq, affirmative action, non-enforcement of immigration laws, etc. What else is new ?

Call it however you want, I stand behind everything I've said, and so do the FACTS of the Constitution, and the numerous US laws that Islam is in violation of. THAT is what "says it all."

 

He, and every president, and every Congress would have been "spot-on" if they had enforcded the unconstitutionality and seditious illegality of Islam by taking action against it > close all mosques, disallow any sale or distribution of the Koran, not admit Muslims to the US. By not taking this actions, Jefferson and every other president and Congress, has been negligent in their duty to protect the American people.

 

By doing so he contradicted himself. It is impossible to support religious freedom and simultaneously support Islam. Supporting Islam (which opposes religious freedom), is opposing religious freedom. And if anyone is to be glorified, in all this, it would be those (unmentioned so far) founding fathers who engaged in that "long and bitter debate" on the side of banning Islam.

 

1. One cannot support religious freedom, while supporting Islam.

2. One cannot support Islam without opposing religious freedom (and many other freedoms).

 

Well there you have it.

In your mind you know more about the U.S. Constitution than Thomas Jefferson.

I think that says it all.

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Well there you have it.

In your mind you know more about the U.S. Constitution than Thomas Jefferson.

I think that says it all.

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Well there you have it.

In your mind you know more about the U.S. Constitution than Thomas Jefferson.

I think that says it all.

 

To either oppose or endorse Islam is not permitted for any government agency. To permit it to exist without interference is mandated by the constitution, just as it is mandated that all other faiths be tolerated.

FAIL.

 

Seems like you tried that little ploy once already, and I already smacked it down. Can't come up with anything better ? Well probably not. Couldn't be many more difficult things in the whole world than to try to defend Islam. So you're going to try to push some more what just doesn't fly. well OK. Then I'll just continue with some additional smackdown of it. >>>

Thomas Jefferson lived in the 1700s. He didn't have 9-11 to comprehend. He didn't have the USS Cole attack. He didn't have Fort Hood (and then Fort Hood II). He didn't have John Allen Muhammad (the Beltway Siper). He didn't have Hesham Mohmmed Haydet (the LAX shooter).. He didn't the Underwear Bomber, the Shoe Bomber, the Times Square Bomber, the Christmas Tree Bomber, the Boston Marathon Bombers, and dozens of othe terrorist attackers and their attacks INSIDE USA BORDERS. He also didn't have the Muslim Brotherhood and their infamous Explanatory Memorandum, doctrinizing the destruction of America (and all Western civilization), and their thousands of instances of Islamization INSIDE US BORDERS from 1991 to 2013.

In short, using Thomas Jefferson as a wedge to claim validity for Islam in America, is about as valid a tact as using 18th century medicine to provide diagnosois and treatments for cancer, diabietes, infections, etc in the year 2013. Simply laughable. Would Jefferson say the same things he said 200 years ago, if he knew what we know now ? Since no one can provide a purely knowledgable answer to that, no one can use Jefferson's (or any 18th century person's) 18th century words to apply to 21st century facts, events, conditions. This is elementary.

Last but not least you are contradicting all those founding fathers who said Islam is intolerable in America. So in your view, does only Jefferson matter, and not all those other gentlemen ?

 

FALSE! Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that any ideology (including Islam) must be permitted to exist. In fact just the opposite is true. The Constitution mandates that supremacist ideologies MAY NOT EXIST (Article 6, Section 2 - the Supremacy Clause). Islam is also illegal by the Seditious Conspiracy law (US Code 2384) and is in violation of numerous US laws. Also, Islam is NOT a "faith". It is a crude collection of demands (the Koran) set up by 7th century thugs, to coerce the people of their time to leave them alone (using religion as a cloak to shield them from criticism). This is easy to see, and those who deny it are either liars, or awfully dim.

 

You cannot 'find' any examples? (If not, you are the one who is being foolish.)

 

I suspect that Thomas Jefferson knew the letter, essence and spirit of Constitutional law better than ANYONE posting in this forum today.

To me, that is hardly debatable.

 

I didn't say I could or couldn't find examples . I'm asking you to provide some basis for your previous statements. You made a statement. It up to YOU to substantiate it, not me.

 

Amazing to me, the number of "Christians"... that really want to RULE this nation.

I suppose that Jefferson saw them coming.

 

Doesn't matter what he did or did not know. Neither way makes Islam constitutional, when it is an unconstitutional violation of the Supremacy clause, and an illegal ideology with respect to US Code 2384. THAT'S not debateable.

 

LOL!! Get to Google and stop pretending you don't/can't know.

 

Too amazing to tell us who they are and how they have shown that they "want to RULE this nation." ????

PS - What Christians want to do isn't the TOPIC of this thread. Islam is.

 

We just disagree.

Peace.

 

If YOU and others aren't adamantly PUSHING "Separation of Church and State", I don't really want to hear what you're saying.

Religion is for individuals and groups of the same (according to the dictates of their hearts); it is NOT to be IMPOSED upon those who do not want it.

That goes for Islam, Christianity, atheism or anything else.

 

I don't know, nor is my place to say anything about it. You made the (off topic) statement. You defend YOUR statement. Who am I ? Your mouthpiece ?

 

Just figure this out for yourself; that's all I ask.

 

1. I don't consider Islam to be a religion.

2. I see only Islam as wishing to impose their IDEOLOGY upon others.

3. If you see Christians wishing to impose their IDEOLOGY upon others, and have some evidence to back it up, OK, let's hear it.

 

Islam IS a 'religion'. Sorry, your views alone do not define 'reality'.

Many Christians seek to do the same as well; that is truly undeniable.

Don't play the "I cannot possibly know better." card; you are being ridiculous.

Separation of Church and State... is THE way to go, IMO.

 

Exactly. But Jefferson also wouldn't have said, "The government that governs best is the government that governs least" if he had been confronted with the large concentrations of capital that we have now. Jefferson was pragmatic. He also opposed the beginning of our plutocracy in the Greedhead clique of looters empowered by Alexander Hamilton.

 

Ever heard of the christian missionaries going around the world for centuries now to remote regions and preaching conversion to christianity; even to very aboriginal tribes that should be left alone as a cultural "alternative" bank?

You've never heard of the christian mandate/quest to homogenize the entire world to christianity? Witnessing? Evangelism? The Crusades?

Wow, we need to get more money into our educational system...