It's obvious Abortion is wrong

Seriously?

You are denying that the fetus is attached via the placenta to the woman't body?

BZZZT Wrong!

A fetus does not obtain "personhood" until it is "naturally born" per the Law of the Land.

Prior to that point in time a fetus is not legally a "person" under the law.

 

It is murder. I agree with this.

Protection is a simple thing. Use it.

Life is not a simple thing. Don't abuse it.

Women see this as being unfairly oppressed, and in a way it is because nature deals her cards unevenly, but it's still your responsibility to be have more integrity and personal strength than guys regarding this because it is your body. And, ultimately, the power to create and nurture life is your responsibility.

I'm at a loss as to how to justify abortion at this point beyond rape or something similar.

 

Since you have not managed to produce a single valid argument to support your "ethical position" your tacit admission that you have utterly failed is accepted.

Have a nice day.

 

No, because unlike the pro-choice crowed I'm against the death penalty and abortion.

I would ban abortion except in the most dire of circumstances.

 

No ammo, no fight.

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So what would you consider just punishment for "murder" ????

 

It is not up to anyone else to "justify abortion".

It is a medical procedure that a woman can avail herself of if the need arises.

How she makes the decision to have that medical procedure is entirely her business and only her business. No one else gets to make that decision for her and no one gets to "justify" it either.

 

Most people don't care that others have been voted "person-hood" under the law. Isn't it the Nazis that declared that Jews weren't really people? Personally, I don't think it is the job of lawyers and bureaucrats to decide this. It is the job of the people. I've got and idea, how about standing for a vote on the rights of the unborn, or risk go back to Der Reich!

 

Indeed there is, you just cant bring yourself to admit it because that would force you to acknowledge abortion is wrong.

That's why Nazi's were able to kill so many Jews, because Jews weren't "people" to the Nazi's....

Of course this is why hostage negotiators tell hostages to tell hostage takers about their lives, to humanize themselves - to make the hostage taker know the person they're holding is a person not hostage...

This is why you say there is no baby involved because that would imply the baby is a person and having an abortion is murder.

 

"""" but it's still your responsibility to be have more integrity and personal strength than guys regarding this because it is your body."""

No, there's no requirement for women to be ANY different from men. But you are right when you say , ""it is YOUR body"...it isn't YOURS, or anyone else's, it's HER body to do with as she pleases just like you can and just like any man can.





""""""And, ultimately, the power to create and nurture life is your responsibility. """"

No, it's not. Show where that is carved in stone or where the law says so????


Uh, trick question: Why are you OK with "murdering a fetus which came about due to rape?


You believe a woman should die to have a baby? Why? You made no exception to a woman's life being jeopardized.......

 

So then you would imprison women for life if they have abortions, right?

How exactly is that going to work out for you?

For starters how are you going to catch these million or so women who are having abortions every year?

Secondly how are you going to prove in a court of law that they have had an abortion?

Assuming that you can catch these women and prove that they had an abortion how many prisons are you going to need to house an additional million women each and every year?

Who is going to take care of their other children now that you have incarcerated their mothers for life?

How much are you personally willing to pay in additional taxes to catch, try and incarcerate these millions of women?

Then there are all the unwanted children who will become a taxpayer burden. How much are you willing to pay in additional taxes for them?

 

What hogwash further enhanced by Godwin's Law and not knowing that Nazis ALSO believed in FORCED births and FORCE abortions,,,,,the same FORCE Anti-Chhoicers adhere to using...

It isn't a baby nor a toddler nor a teenager, nor a senior adult nor a pumpkin nor a princess even if you call it that.


I do NOT need to "dehumanize the HUMAN fetus because I believe women have a right to abort it.

YOU seem to want to dehumanize women and turn them into nothing but broodstock...

 

*sigh*

The Constitution protects individual rights against the tyranny of the majority.

Yes, that means that theists can't impose their beliefs to deprive women of their reproductive rights.

That you had to invoke Godwin's Law says volumes about the appalling weakness of your position and ignorance of the Law of the Land.

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Emotive terminology does not alter the Law of the Land.

 

Why do you persist in denigrating the Jews and what they went through by comparing them to a fetus???

 

Well abortions would be illegal if I had my way and indeed I would throw a woman in prison for having an unauthorized abortion - not for life but for perhaps 5-7 years.

 

Think we'll get an answer?

Maybe this will be like the one poster who said that "murder" should get a 60 day sentence and a small fine....

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Do ALL murderers get 5-7 years???


And you CONVENIENTLY missed :


For starters how are you going to catch these million or so women who are having abortions every year?

Secondly how are you going to prove in a court of law that they have had an abortion?

Assuming that you can catch these women and prove that they had an abortion how many prisons are you going to need to house an additional million women each and every year?

Who is going to take care of their other children now that you have incarcerated their mothers for life?

How much are you personally willing to pay in additional taxes to catch, try and incarcerate these millions of women?

Then there are all the unwanted children who will become a taxpayer burden. How much are you willing to pay in additional taxes for them?

 

It seems my point went over your cold little head....

Also, I don't believe you.

This issue is nothing more than politics for you..... And if you really feel this way, then I pity you.

If you really feel this way then perhaps you would like to see pictures of the aftermath of an abortion? oh yeah that would probably get me banned right? but abortion is perfectly fine tho? well if it's so damn great then pictures of an aborted "fetus" (baby) shouldn't bother you.

 

Only 5-7 years for 1st degree premeditated murder?

Why not life imprisonment?

Is murdering a fetus less of a crime than murdering a baby?

Why the inconsistency?

 

Yeah some murderers get 5-7 years, it's called manslaughter.

How will I find them? really?

One day a woman is pregnant an the next shes not but has no damn baby....... WTF..

 

You had no valid point.

....and I have no idea why you think that seeing the results of a legal medical procedure would make me want to suppress women, treat them like animals and take away their rights.....it wouldn't, it hasn't.

 

Oh, well......

Banning abortion would violate the woman's right to security of the person. The fetus has no rights.

 

I'd disagree. Gassing Jews can be considered a "medical procedure". The baby is another life. If she decides to act in such a way as to give birth to another life, than she has to deal with that reality.

Well, not in this post specifically, but in cases where the woman is forced, or the baby presents a direct and immediate threat to her life, I support it th same way I would similarly support amputation under such conditions. However, the if done willingly, I would not endorse this.

Point is...women are different from men. No amount of legal babble is going to change that natural fact. And having an abortion is murder. No amount of legal wordplay is going to change that fact. I agree that a person should have the ability to decide what to do with their own body, BUT when you decide to engage in an act that has the risk of producing another being with just as much right as you, you must be accountable to that position or you and up profaning something very, very serious.

To me, this is not a slight against women. This shows strength and character. Men can be depraved, yes, but women do not have to follow suit. Just because men go around taring the ears off of cats, will women claim that they should b allowed to as well or protest such behavior?

 

Why obsess over pictures? Have you seen pictures of a surgically removed bowel abscess? How about pictures of a surgically removed diabetic limb with necrosis?

Why are those pictures not used to stop those surgical procedures or don't you care about bowel abscesses and necrotic diabetic limbs?

 

HOW DO YOU KNOW THE WOMAN IS PREGNANT?


HOW DO YOU KNOW WHY SHE NO LONGER IS ? Have you never heard of a miscarriage?

A woman says she had a miscarriage and you want every woman who had a miscarriage to be FORCEFULLY EXAMINED ? Since abortion and the aftermath of a miscarriage are the same HOW do you tell if she's telling the truth.....torture???????

Do YOU plan to report a loved one who you suspect of MURDERING a baby? Your daughter? Your mother?....Not many people are going to do that...

 

How would you know that she was pregnant in the first place?

Are you going to demand that every woman take a pregnancy test every single day?