Joe gets serious

Nope.

 

They are using public safety as an excuse to transfer more power from we the people to DC bureaucrats and politicians.

 

Cute picture. How old?

 

All the other thins you complain of are done by state and local politicians not bureaucrats.

 

Yeah, damn that public safety. My bike does 120, and I'll be damned if I don't ride at 120. Down your street. At night. With a broken headlight. Screw those authoritarians, and I don't care about your dog.

The Illuminati don't scare me. But stay under your bed, for all I care. Boo.

 

The mandates will stand up if the courts adhere to precedent.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/Designed-Public-Vaccination-Mandates

 

Thinking the data supports your views is misguided.

 

And the hysteria continues to run amok.

 

Instead, as Biden made the vaccination campaign a central focus, Fox News hosts decided that their network’s self-declared role as Biden’s “opposition” did not have a carveout for his effort to vaccinate the public and halt the deadly pandemic. They and many of their right-wing media colleagues decided that their interests lay in fueling skepticism for the vaccines and undermining the vaccination campaign.

Since Biden took office, right-wing propagandists have falsely suggested that the vaccines are ineffective or unnecessary and that they might be killing thousands of Americans. They have lashed out against the prospects of vaccine mandates, whether imposed by private businesses, universities, or government agencies. They have wailed about requirements for proof of vaccination to enter certain venues.They have raised up vaccine refusers as culture war heroes. And they have denounced door-to-door campaigns to urge residents to get vaccinated as akin to the tactics of the Gestapo.
https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-ne...ng-people-and-propagandists-are-furious-biden

 

So 661K dead Americans with 1,500 dying each day and Delta running rampant is hysteria? Would 1M be enough for you to take the pandemic seriously?

 

Wow.... how our opinions about how the presidents are handling a NOVEL virus under their watch sure has changed since last year. One president could do no right and the other can do no wrong...

 

Taking the pandemic seriously is fine and important. Dealing with it with hysteria is backward and stupid. The government isn't following the science. The science says masks don't work. It also says that we are forcing people to get a vaccine against a strain of the virus that has been replaced by one with resistance to the vaccine. Government is trying to make you think it is controlling the virus for some inexplicable reason. Every time a doctor questions the government he or she is shouted down by the government.

Do you remember when the government told you we would reach herd immunity when 70% of the population was vaccinated. Well that didn't work out because we have 80% vaccinated.

The virus is not under control. It will not be until we have herd immunity to whichever strain of the virus is current. Even then it will not disappear. It will be with us year after year. Mutation of the virus will outpace our ability to develop and distribute new vaccines. Vaccinating people by force against a strain of the virus that is basically gone already is hysterical. When are you going to ignore the government and follow the science? We really need to keep government away from these epidemics. Let the medical community deal with them.

Having said that, the vaccine does have some therapeutic benefit to those infected and having the vaccine makes perfect sense. That may not be true for future strains so it makes perfect sense to take the vaccine now. It makes no sense to threaten and force people just to make government look good. It is authoritarian. Stop bringing up the fact that the virus causes some people to die. We already know that. Follow the science, not the government. Attitudes like yours only make matters worse.

 

Wrong. https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118

 

Neither one of them was able to affect the lies and nonsense that came from the NIH. Neither one did anything right. At least Trump gets credit for making the vaccines available faster than usual. That helped until the delta strain arrived and likely saved some lives. Sorry government is nowhere near controlling the virus.

 

just curious.... what is or was "right"?

 

There are always two versions of the truth. But the preponderance of the science says that N95 respirators have around 85% effectiveness. Not enough to stop transmission but enough to make wearing those masks a good idea. But the public doesn't wear N95 respirators. They wear masks that are around 25% effective and that simply isn't enough to make a difference. Those measurements were posted on the forum some time ago but I'm too lazy to point you to them. You can get behind your science and I'll get behind mine.

 

Nobody. I'm not sure there is a right. The virus is in charge and will be into the future. I don't see how we have had much effect on it at all. We have practiced a lot of fear and hysteria but not achieved much in terms of controlling the virus.

 

This part of your post is an opinion. This conclusion can't be drawn. I am not questioning what you believe but 25% effective does not equate to "simply isn't enough to make a difference". It cuts down viral load hence it increases a person's chances of survival, period.

 

I define making a difference as preventing transmission. Yes my opinion is that collecting 25% of the exhaled virus isn't enough to prevent transmission. It is an opinion made from common sense. Feel free to wear a mask. I'm not standing in your way.

 

Yes I agree .... it is a NOVEL virus and we learned as we went along... when a president can only rely on his experts , who turn out to be wrong... or worse..... lying and quite possibly having their dirty little fingers in it.... I guess the finger pointing is bound to happen....

 

Common sense would dictate that anything that cuts down on "viral load" will have a positive effect. The less the viral load, the less the initial impact of the virus hence the more one's immunize system can combat the impact of the virus thus higher rate of survival.

 

Its not a matter of if this will be shot down in court but when.

 

That is what common sense says to you, not what it says to me. The viral load becomes less important when we have a vaccine resistant strain of the virus. My doctors even tell me that the masks worn by the public are not effective. They require them in their offices to reduce the chances of lawsuit. I'm virtually certain that businesses do it for the same reason.

 

This sentence in bold, you draw a conclusion "less important" out of thin air. That's not common sense. If your doctors tell you that, you need new doctors or they simply are telling you what you want to hear as anything else is pointless. If doctor's want to be less liable, they will get you to sign a release. Regardless, time for me to move on.