John Bolton says 'Putin saw Trump doing a lot of his work for him,'so he chose not to invade Ukraine

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  1. bx4

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    It would have been more meaningful if he had said this while he was the national security adviser.
     
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    They are still calling him guilty, what's the problem?
     
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    Trump Ignores Sean Hannity's Prompt To Call Putin 'Evil'
    "I got along with these people," he said later, when asked about his relationships with authoritarian leaders.
    www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-sean-hannit...

    It is truly amazing that Comrade Donnie Trump so freely throws people under the bus, which includes those who worked for him as his VP Mike Pence, but not his puppetmaster, Comrade Putie.
     
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    Yet here we are all those countries are increasing their NATO payments, THE VERY THING TRUMP WAS POUNDING THEM ON, Trump pounded Germany specifically on financing Russia by making them their primary oil provider. Amazing huh.
     
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    Perhaps I'm just missing something, but what is so diabolical about helping Ukraine to join NATO?
     
  6. balancing act

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    Wow! You are really criticizing a US president for working to try to include Ukraine in NATO?
    You're right, it's Biden's fault that Russia invaded Ukraine.
    Let's forget that Trump was such a good sycophant for Putin that Putin didn't feel the need to invade Ukraine, as he felt he would get what he wanted from Trump without invading.
    It's becoming clear to me that hard core Trump supporters have put America at least second, behind Trump. The next campaign should be not Make America Great Again, but Make Trump Great Again.
    Honestly, it's sort of disgusting that so many people put Trump above the country they live and die in.......
     
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    How is the opinion of one moron, John Bolton a current event?

    Oh because it bashes Trump!

    John Bolton is a bitter pos who has been wrong on almost everything. He was a coward during the Vietnam war but has no problem sending somebody else's kids to get maimed somewhere.

    He is a pos pig! The opinions that run from his arse are not current events.
     
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    I still can't believe he's opposed to being locked up with a bunch of black body builders. He and Don Lemon look like they should be breaking into jails yelling, "Hello Frisco!"
     
  9. balancing act

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    What if Bolton had come out and told a story about Hunter Biden and "the big guy" doing coke and having hookers in the Oval office?
    Something tells me your opinion of Bolton would be different. Just my opinion.......
     
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  10. Starcastle

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    No because I hate neocon cowards who were too gutless to fight in a war they supported at the time but have no problem sending out kids to fight some worthless war today. I have made myself very clear on this.

    What a coincidence that this coward, this pos pig just happens to be a basher of Trump and defender of Biden.
     
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    Trump was never "hostile to NATO". Don't people get tired of pushing bullcrap every day?
     
  12. Arkanis

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    The only reason Trump wanted the EU to increase its funding was because he felt the US was doing too much.

    He never considered Putin a threat to international peace, on the contrary.

    He has done everything to get closer to him, even sowing suspicion in the US intelligence agencies.

    Now we find out that Trump was the equivalent of a Russian agent.
     
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    Thanks for the thoughtful response!
    I didn't think he was defending Biden necessarily, but most swords cut both ways.
    I kind of agree about Bolton, though not as vehemently as you. I've always found him to be slimy. I was surprised when Trump brought him in to the White House staff. I didn't think they would get along very well. Apparently they didn't ..............
     
  14. Starcastle

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    Of course he is advocating for Biden. Why is it so important for him to be giving these opinions now? To help Biden.

    And John Bolton's opinion as to why Russia did not further invade Ukraine from 2017-2020 is not a current event!
     
  15. Starcastle

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    Here we go with the Trump mind reading. So typical.

    Why would we be providing 70% of the defense for rich white European countries? Of course we were doing too much. Trump was president of the USA.

    Also nobody acknowledges that there is this thing called the European union which is almost like a country. A confederation of European nations who combined have an economy 5 times bigger than Russia and population 3X more. Why would we be paying for their defense?
     
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    I don't think he's doing to help Biden, I doubt he cares much for Biden, politically, but he is advocating for people to buy his book. Takes away from his sincerity, IMO. I think the article coming out 2 days ago is what the OP determined to be a current event.

    Those are some good points, but I would guess that they feel it's better to stay out in front of issues, which is what they failed to do before WW2. Time will tell if it is a good idea or not, but...
    Let me ask you, if you go a year without having any car accidents, do you cancel your car insurance?
    Funnier question, if you go a year without dying, do you cancel your life insurance?
     
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  17. Arkanis

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    1- US do not pay for the defense of Europe.

    2- Trump tried to bring the country closer to an autocrat who was a serious security threat.

    Even today, he shows his admiration for Putin.

    Is that your definition of a patriot?
     
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    That is total bullcrap. We have 13 military bases in Europe. Half of our $700B+ military budget is for the protection of Europe. We spend more than the European countries do to protect Europe!

    I'm putting every poster on ignore who continues with this bullcrap about Trump and Trump supporters being pro Putin. Tired of this flame bait bullcrap. While Putin has troops in the Ukraine people like you slander Americans as supportive of him.

    I can post my opinions until the cows come home without engaging this crap. Bye.
     
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    As I have said I will be putting posters on ignore who push this Trump loves Putin lie. It's not worth dealing with.

    I'm also going to start reporting posts.
     
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    Let's get one thing straight.

    Trump is the front runner for the Republican nomination and he is still conducting rallies, giving TV interviews ( as insane as they may be) and by these facts, he is very much fair game and of proper topic on a political forum.

    the 'why' of why Putin didn't invade during Trump is very relevant. Why?

    Because what republicans are implying is that, therefore, 'Vote for Trump' or 'Trump is better for America', and if you can grasp the reality of why Putin didn't invade during Trump, the last conclusion one can come to is that we should return to Trump. I mean, when someone wrecks your car, you don't hand him back the keys. ( Oh yes, given that 65 million people still believe the 'Big Lie', Trump has damaged America by orders of magnitude hitherto unseen in history and thus constitutes a threat to national security -- the last thing we should do is apologize for him, give him any credibility such that he might win the next election ).

    Putin saw how Trump was creating chaos in America, undermining Nato, giving overtures on his desire to leave Nato, slow walked the veto proof sanctions imposed by Congress, how Trump fawned all over Putin, etc., why would he rock the boat and invade while the guy he tried desperately to get elected is still in office and who, like the OP indicates, is doing much of his work for him?


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...utin-ukraine-refuting-claims-tough-on-russia/
    Quotes by Max Boot, a staunch conservative:

    “Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine — of Ukraine — Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful. ‘I said, ‘How smart is that?’ And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. ... We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right. No, but think of it. Here’s a guy who’s very savvy.”

    Trump went on to rhapsodize about his relationship with Putin — “He liked me. I liked him.” — and to praise him as someone with a lot of “charm and a lot of pride” who “loves his country.”

    With those few words, Trump has just made a fool of every right-winger who has tried to pretend that he would have been tougher on Putin than Biden is currently being. Trump did claim that “this never would have happened with us,” but this was merely his usual rhetorical ploy of blaming Russian aggression on former president Barack Obama or on Biden rather than on Putin. Indeed, it’s hard to think of a single negative word Trump has ever uttered about the Russian tyrant.

    NO WAY IN HELL IS BIDEN THE WORST PRESIDENT OF ALL TIME.

    1. He got the infrastructure bill passed, nothing on par with it had ever been achieved since Eisenhower and Trump sure as hell was unable to.
    2. He was instrumental in getting the ACA passed, providing health care to some 18 million people.
    3. His American Rescue Plan was more robust than Trump's stimulus package, whereby my business was unable to get the PPP SBA loan during Trump, but I succeeded during Biden, and it helped greatly to save my business and prevent firing of employees.
    4. Biden has gotten over 6 million jobs in his first year, Trump only got 1/3 that number.


    Biden has only been in office for little over a year, and all the negatives are pandemic driven.

    If you can't understand that, you are judging Biden unfairly.
     
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  21. balancing act

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    Just to exemplify the close connection between Russia and the Trump's:
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40571914
    And then afterwards, Trump Sr. wrote a letter lying about the meeting and faked it like it was written by Trump Jr.
    There was a lot of speculation, but there were good reasons to look into the Trump/Russian connection.
     
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    Aaaaand then there is the real world-

    NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg thanked US President Donald Trump for his strong leadership and commitment to the Alliance in a meeting at the White House on Thursday (14 November 2019). Mr. Stoltenberg highlighted rising defence investment across European Allies and Canada, amounting to more than $100 billion extra in recent years, adding that Allies are determined to keep up the momentum.
     
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    You need to read up more on Ukraine and Putin's red line.
     
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    Did I mention Trump? TDS... It never ends.
     
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    Soooo its diabolical because it might offend Putin? Putin doesnt want Ukraine to join NATO so he is free to attack Ukraine if he pleases, without involving NATO.
     

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