Kasich warns Republicans on ObamaCare repeal

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no, you showed me a baseless assertion. Show me the DEC pages of before and after the ACA.

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so you can't support the bull(*)(*)(*)(*) claim either?

 

If you believe the government made it all better, there is nothing more to discuss with you. If you don't know who we are paying for, there is nothing more to discuss with you. I rarely see such delusional rational.

 

yes, debunked lies. The comment made by Obama was before the ACA was passed, and was in reference to a different version of the bill.

 

I will ask you for the 6th time, why would you think anyone would have their health insurance papers from years ago? You are just gonna keep up with that demand, otherwise, you believe we all have great affordable coverage and are just making (*)(*)(*)(*) up so we lose it. Yeah, makes sense.

 

It is telling that you choose to ridicule one person while ignoring the 700,000 who will suffer...what a pleasant fellow.

 

No, it wasn't. Nice try though. Why didn't he then let us know that instead of savings and keeping plans, he was gonna double our premiums and kick us off our plans. When did that news conference happen?

 

and it wasn't a lie, since that version of the bill wasn't the one passed by congress.

 

my NPN # is 7827900

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I did. My NPN # is 7827900

 

You are running hard with that excuse. Ok, so when did Obama have a press conference telling us how we would be spending $5K more per year with unaffordable deductibles and less doctors to choose from, oh and you'll probably get kicked off your current plans and may lose your doctors, while the crowds cheered? I don't remember this, do you?

 

your employer based plan is still obamacare. The just didn't do your research when you bought an individual plan. that's your fault, or your agents. Obama had nothing to do with it.

 

I don' believe you, that's not proof. Please post your license for the past 12 years.

 

I provided you with my info. You can choose to call me a liar of you wish. But since you are in the insurance industry, explain to me how the government can create a revenue neutral policy that dramatically increases the demand on a service without increasing the supply, increases the minimum requirements for insurance coverage, and increases the amount of people that transition to Medicaid. How does the government pay for it?

 

either was it's still obamacare

 

I've been asking for people to post their DEC pages since the ACA went into effect and you righties began making (*)(*)(*)(*) up. NOBODY has been able to substantiate the bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

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of course it was

 

Its simply the facts, goverment made it better not worse. Much better.

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Go ahead and tell us, you dont mind paying for kids and old and disabled, so who is it you do mind paying for? The unemployed?

At least be honest with us for once. You guys are very coy, you like to shout but you dont reall say much.

 

I find funny that you don't even realize it's a big part of why you libs just lost everything in the election but you want us to believe the government made healthcare so much better. Oh my, this is classic.

I never said kids, why am I supposed to pay for others kids? I have my own to pay for, thank you. People need to not have a slew of kids by different baby daddies and expect me to pay the monthly cost of that.

 

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I don't care.

the NPN # is a lifetime number. It hasn't changed.

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which is self serving flap. you haven't substantiated your claim.

 

I can see you won't quit your babbling about all of us obviously lying about our wonderful obamacare increases. Ok, that's fine. And the only reality I care about now is that you lose. You lost the election, the house, the senate, and now you lose obamacare. There's your dose of reality.

 

kasich became a has been just after the New Hampshire primary, he just does not realize it yet

 

Your religion has no place in a public policy debate.

 

My complaint exactly, and why I'm calling BS on anything not solidly backed. I don't know anybody who had anything like the problems I'm seeing here and, in fact, most of them came out better. The ONLY place where I'm seeing these kind of horror stories is right here on this board, nowhere else

Conservatives seem to be fundamentally unable to understand the whole concept of insurance even though lots of them sell it to put food on the table. Especially when you explain how it's a fundamentally socialistic concept you ought to see their faces. (This doesn't apply to the one self-identified insurance professional I've seen in this thread, btw, so maybe some people do understand what they do for a living)

My understanding is that it wasn't meant to keep going as it did in the first few years in any case, that it would become a good deal cheaper as time went on and more people got on it.

Because one group, the healthy, paying for another, the sick, is how health insurance works. It relies upon the fact that many, many more people are healthy at any one time than are sick. Insurance cos. have used this simple fact to literally own the ****** world up until now and could easily have kept on doing so forever, but then they got greedy and decided to apply the business insurance model to people's lives. Not everyone should, or wants to, own a business, however, we all want to live; so we should have the very largest possible pool of insured even if it does include some high risks, rather than have a smaller and smaller pool of better and better risks over time.

And this larger insured group, essentially everybody, is why government is the ONLY real solution to the problem overall; as most other countries in the civilized world have realized long ago. That's why they have much, much lower healthcare costs, and better services, than the USA, supposedly the most advanced country in the world

 

Then it sounds as if you have employer sponsored health care. The actual "Obamacare" plans are individual plans.

 

Nothing will happen until the end of Fiscal Year 2017. FY17 won't end until October 1st. The smart thing and the FAIR thing would be to get rid of Obamacare and then leave the health care industry alone! People should be responsible for providing their own damned health care, or, if they don't or won't pay for their own medical needs, they can sign up for Medicaid. No one with any sense of integrity or self-worth wants the government to come in and wipe our butts for us, but radical Democrats think that's a wonderful idea -- so long as the recipients of all this coddling and 'butt-wiping' vote for Democrats forever after....

 

So wait, Obamacare only applies to the minority of Americans who don't have employer sponsored health care? But won't you, along with us, also benefit from the much lower cost of insurance covered healthcare vs compulsory care for the indigent?

Why should we have to pay for your lower insurance costs over time?

 

Far from everybody qualifies for Medicaid and not everybody who can't pay their own healthcare costs or buy insurance is in that situation because they "don't or won't" do so. (In fact, everyone short of Bill Gates can't pay for most Healtcare without some type of insurance and I'm not even sure of him) Your apparent feeling, that anyone with "any sense of self-worth" will just go off and quietly die in a ditch somewhere if they should be so ever be so degenerate as to get sick while being laid off is, fortunately for humanity, as false as it is unacceptable to most normal people.