Let's get something clear: I voted for Obama and I voted for Hillary...

But I didn't sell my soul to them. If they committed a "crime", they should be in jail! Why aren't they?

I say this because it appears to be a recurring theme among Trump supporters, that they defend Trump with the nonsensical argument "yeah... but Obama and Hillary committed crimes too".

If you are convinced that Hillary or Obama or both... committed any crimes, I would strongly encourage you to contact you Republican Senators, Representatives, and pressure them into filing criminal charges.

I agree 100% that if they did commit a crime, they should be jailed. For some reason Republicans believe that liberals would be "devastated" if Obama or Hillary went to jail for a crime. I can assure you: we would not. I admire Obana. Hillary not as much (she's Ok, I guess).

But justice is first.

Right now Republicans control the House, the Senate, the Presidency and the Supreme Court. This is not going to last forever. So it's now or never. Demand it! Ask Fox, Breitbart, WND, Rush, Hannity... all you favorite wingnut pundits why they are not demanding more vehemently for charges to be filed. Why are they delaying? Tell them that, if they don't they are accomplices.

Really. This is the moment. Every day that passes it becomes more and more difficult. There is the possibility that Republicans might lose some seats in November. Maybe not, but why risk it?

 

All the bluster and crap being spewed by Hannity and the Trumpanzees living here 24/7/365 regarding crimes being committed by Comey, Clinton, Obama, Mueller and the rest is just a smokescreen created by Russian mobsters to try to hold on to their criminal enterprises here in America.

 

Obama and Clinton are not in jail because they didn’t do anything illegal. Anyone who believes they did get to deal with the burden of explaining why today, with a Republican controlled congress and a president how vowed to “lock her up” during his campaign, they remain free and no official investigation has ever commenced.

 

"I say this because it appears to be a recurring theme among Trump supporters, that they defend Trump with the nonsensical argument "yeah... but Obama and Hillary committed crimes too"."

Oh tell me, tell me, what crimes has Trump really, really committed this week; that Mueller is really, really going to get him for?

 

Republicans wish they controlled the White House

 

It was the Immigration Act of 1965 and Democrat policies that allowed Russian mobsters into America.

The Democratic party liberals were the "useful idiots" of the Kremlin going back to the late 1960's and are still today the real "useful idiots" of Vladimir Putin.

Visit any large city run by liberals and you will find Russia Russia Russia.

 

Actually, official investigations have been undertaken. They just didn't find any substance whatsoever from which to draw charges.

 

This week? Well, this week he used his pardon powers for political gain, for example.

As for Mueller, we'll know what he's charging him for when they make his report public. Probably early next year. I'm guessing. So long as it's thorough, I'm in no rush. Are you?

 

WHORES on BOTH SIDES...…..

 

Its a little late to close the obama/hillary gate now that they are gone

 

"Are you?"

I stopped caring.

 

Because their crimes were covered up by the very people who were supposed to investigate them and put them in jail, instead they destroyed the evidence and let them off the hook... It will take time to sort these things out, be patient.

Red herring. The argument is - Obama and Hillary committed crimes. Period. 2 years of spying on Trump and his campaign, 1+ year of investigating his campaign by 20 uber-biased liberal star prosecutors, questioning hundreds of witnesses and going through millions of pages of documents have come up with absolutely no evidence of Trump's wrongdoings.

 

So you voted for Obama and Hillary. I voted for McCain and then Johnson twice. As for crimes, I don't know. A lot of that is just political rhetoric. I do think Hillary put this nation's national security at risk by having over 2,000 classified e-mails to include 22 top secret special access program messages on an unclassified server which is part of the NIPR net. Those last 22 I mentioned aren't suppose to even leave the SCIF let alone end up on an unclassified server in someone's home. Long story there. Was that a crime having all that classified stuff on an NIPR server. If not, it was a gross security violation in which anyone else would have paid dearly. Double standard, for sure. In my opinion, the crime wasn't having her own server. It was having all that classified stuff on it. Knowingly having it on it.

But outside of that, I can't think of anything either Obama or Hillary did that would be a crime. Right now I can't think of anything Trump did. At least not proven for any of those three. I personally think there is too much politics of destruction going on these days.

 

So... you are saying that it's too late now and Republicans blew it. And after all those millions of dollars wasted investigating them. Billions, probably... Don't you just hate how incompetent your party is?

 

Of course you did! That's part of the process. Once you realize that your beloved leader has no defense, you just block it from your mind. If you don't do that, there is a definite danger of you either going crazy or having some common sense knocked into you. And you wouldn't want either of those, right?

 

Sorry, not funny. Try another joke.

 

As I have said many times: you know you're out of arguments when the only argument you have left is a conspiracy theory. In the case of Hillary, we've been waiting for more than 25 years. And you are about to lose your complete control of Congress. So I guess you guys blew it!

How do you know that there is no evidence of wrong doing? Please explain how you are privy to Mueller's findings. I strongly encourage you to tell us. Lest somebody reads this and thinks that you're full of crap.

I mean, on the part of Hillary and Obama, I can mention over a dozen investigations, most of them led by Republicans and which actually concluded that there was no wrong-doing. But I would certainly be open to hearing if there is new evidence. However, in the case of Trump, you claim to have full internal access to the findings. So do tell do tell..

 

You do not remotely speak for the average leftist in this. For eight straight years not only did leftists pretty much openly worship Barack Obama -- including the blatantly infatuated leftist-allied Mainstream Media -- but aggressively spun and covered for him no matter what. The average leftist would effectively go insane were Barack Obama placed in any real danger of being seriously investigated for a crime much less found guilty and issued punishment. They would send this nation up in flames. That was made abundantly clear by their actions and activities during those eight years.

 

It took almost 2o years to finally catch the Teflon don too.

 

Takes guts to admit in public you made TWO mistakes.

 

Well... we already went through this before. Turns out they were more secure than in government networks.

And yet they did. Somebody emailed them to her. Which shows that the government security systems suck. Or sucked. Private servers were much more secure than government servers when Hillary was Secretary of State. For example, I could have set up filters on such servers that would have made it impossible for those emails to be sent without alarm bells going off all over the place. Or, if they were, that the classifying agency would receive automatic notification. Since I don't know government servers, I don't know if that was possible to do in Government servers before 2014. But it looks like it wasn't.

I doubt she "knowingly" had it. But I would definitely consider it a "crime". If it were up to me, all those in charge of I.T. security would be in jail. Or, at a minimum, out on the street with a court order to not ever be allowed to mention "security" in their resumes.

I can think of quite a bit that Trump did. After all, he's done plenty of it quite publicly.

 

Who says it's a joke?

 

I usually don't speak for anybody but me. But, in this case, I can safely say that I speak for the majority. To most progressives, a President is somebody we hire to do a job, and we support so long as they do their job. We limit "worship" to our quarterbacks, our favorite music artists, and the cutest movie or TV star of the moment (ok ok... some also have religious beliefs we must respect). Other than that... everybody else is on their own...

Republicans, on the other hand, actually worship politicians. Which is insane! I would worship a politician the day that Melissa Benoist runs for Congress. But not before that...

Your main problem is that you are simply up to your neck in wingnut media propaganda. You believe all their myths. and here you repeat them. Everything you write here boils down to a conspiracy between Obama, the media, the FBI, ... hell! Even the Republican Congress would have to be part of that conspiracy, since Republicans controlled it for much of the Obama Administration. And it is their job to oversee the Executive power.

And this is why I say: "You know you have no arguments when the only argument you have left is a Conspiracy Theory"

 

Your still talking NIPR without cryptographic devices. The government secures their SIPR and above networks with cryptographic devices such as the KG-194, KIV-19's. etc. Those devices aren't on the NIPR network. There is no civilian equivalent. SIPR and above are closed networks. You're right, we been through this before and it's like talking to a brick wall.

This is an example of what is on SIPR and the like. what's your equivalent

 

Hillary has him beat. 25 years and counting. And I bet they've spent many times more money investigating her.