Looks Like NAFTA Is Coming To An End

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  1. MVictorP

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    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...as-endgame-on-nafta-talks-nears-idUSKBN1F01Y1

    Looks like our countries are going to take their distances now. I say good ridance - NAFTA just made the rich richer and the poor poorer. Even better, Canada won't have to indulge the USA no more on the international scene.

    Congrats, Trumpists - you just got rid of another pesky ally. :applause:
     
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    Well, not so fast. Comments from Canada are a signal they won't be rolled, especially on the U.S. wanting to terminate the dispute resolution clause. We're at a crucial stage in negotiations.

    Make no mistake, Canada will force Trump to cancel NAFTA. They do it for him and they won't cave into U.S. demands especially when they have a trade deficit with America.
     
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    Trump did win :woot: the Trade War with :flagcanada:
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/is-it-true-part-deux.495478/page-5#post-1067402566
    Stopped the lumber and dairy dumping on :flagus: markets.
    It's not about competition.
    It is about underselling via :flagcanada: gov't subsidies. :angered:

    Moi :oldman:

    r > g

    SgtPreston-a.jpg
    Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
    regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.
     
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    There's about 25 state governors who aren't keen on Trump tearing up NAFTA either, considering the amount of trade that these states do with canada.
     
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    "Sigh"....the usual paranoia from Moi about our neighbor to the north.
     
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    You don't need nafta to trade.
     
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    Check the link, DEAR :blowkiss:

    It is fully referenced.

    Obama ignored this trade problem, Trump dealt with it.
     
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    If they terminate NAFTA they had better reactivate the FTA - the trade deal between US and Canada before NAFTA, because about 30 US states benefit greatly from trade with Canada. Not that cancelling NAFTA would cut everything off, but it would do some damage. Trump has always said that Canada is not a problem trade-wise, which is an understatement. Canada imports more stuff from the US than any other country in the world.
     
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    we have a trade surplus with America of roughly 12 billion or 2%. That one helluva good balancing act. Gee what a crappy deal for america. Over time, NAFTA worked to bring the deficit down from a high of $80 billion in 2006 during the active parts of the american wars.

    Meanwhile Trump just found out that while his negotiators play hardball, we canadians play hockey since hardball is so woosey.


    Canada just filed a series of complaints with the World Trade Organization on behalf of a bunch of nations including canada citing over 200 instances of American trade malpractice. Who knew other countries might know how to deal with bullies and ideological entrenchment. Trump sure as hell didn't.
     
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    There's no accusation of Canadians dumping dairy products. There is a claim, however, Canada is protecting high-cost producers in Canada from U.S. competition.
    Five times we put tariffs on Canadian lumber and five times we lost in dispute hearings. They aren't dumping lumber and they aren't unfairly subsidizing production with low stumpage costs. It's about U.S. forest companies that bought up Canadian firms driving up prices in the U.S.



     
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    Yeah it would balloon the deficit. And cause the wasting of 100's of billions of US and Canadian taxpayer and business dollars and a big chunk of those tax savings US biz just got, spent on bureaucratic process changes associated with both trade and border transactions and the security that entails. A lot of US biz and jobs are directly invested. This a half trillion dollar trade relationship afterall. The damage would be huge all over a $12 billion dollar deficit last year down from its peak of $80 bill in 06. Total boob zero sum nonsense from a nonsensical administration.
     
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    I hope we can at least agree, "Trump Won!"
    the recent Trade War.
    Did you see my links and references?

    Sort of like who you want to believe.
    The cowboys or the Indians.
     
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    he won? are you serious? HE SOLD OUT to boeing in a an absurd move by them to claim about a canadian jet class that THEY DON'T COMPETE WITH.

    He wanted a bunch of "gimmes" to put added pressure on the canadian government in nafta negotiations. Great negotiator thinking nobody can see his clumsy ploys. Like I said we play hockey, we can take a hit to win the game.
     
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    Canada has a goods surplus with the U.S. but a trade deficit when services are included.
    As a citizen of both countries, I'm well aware of how Canada views NAFTA. I would caution Americans who see the advantage of free trade with Canada there is some dirt Canadians won't eat, so don't try to bully them into a deal.
     
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    If we try to screw Canada, we'll have to give a lot more to get a bilateral deal with China or the EU.
     
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    Yep. Which is why we ain't gonna budge on the dispute process unless it strengthens and eliminates this rinse and repeat nonsense.

    We can wait trump out and then get back to serious renegotiations to strengthen economic integration in an EQUALLY benefical relationship. You own a big part of us, we own a big part of you, everything is cool. Hey we love you guys, but your political systems sucks. Homie don' do dat.

    which is why this trump inspired idiotic zero sum effort to play to his nationalist base by attempting to bully us and manipulate the system without zero understanding of the nature our people, your closest PARTNER and ALLY, shall be weathered. Administrations come and go, by but the cash keeps on truckin'
     
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    Trump didn't win anything.
    I gave you the straight information.
     
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    I know there's lots of sane americans who actually, like, know stuff and all.
     
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    I gave you a link where there are references.
    Trump won the trade war
    and thereby saved the Wisconsin dairy industry from further harm.
     
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    Yeah the services deficit is to be expected when it comes to economic integration with the american behemoth. It don't take a rocket surgeon to be a realist. That was part of NAFTA in the first place dealing with the strategic nature of our relationship. WE gots the resources, you gots da goods, afterall.

    Dual citizenship, the best of both worlds.
     
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    Canada won't sign a deal without a dispute resolution process. Period. (I'm a citizen of both the U.S. and Canada, so I'm tuned into what Canada wants.)
    There are advantages and disadvantages to the British Parliamentary System and the U.S. system.
     
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    Yeah my comment on the american system sucking had more to do with the current state of affairs but on balance at least our system provides a far broader and nuanced political spectrum to exist which I believe better informs public opinion especially when confronted with the numerous consensus compromises all governing systems require. jus sayin
     
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    Canada has not dismantled their supply management system that protects Canadian dairy farmers with high tariffs. Trump is pressing Canada to drop the system as part of a new NAFTA.
     
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    Wont' some of that go away now that the new tax bill shifts to a territorial basis?

    Either way like the wise man said "there is a price for absolutely everything in this sweet paradise".
     

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