Looks Like NAFTA Is Coming To An End

Fact is illegal immigration is not the only answer for farm labor. Observe that.

 

Nor did I state it was. Instead I commented on the realities involved in this situation, you then decided to make it some political issue. NOTHING prevents Americans from working the fields and NOTHING prevents farms from paying more for doing it beyond simple economics which NAFTA plays heavily into.

 

Again you ignore a well regulated worker visa program

 

Nor does opening up drilling for oil off Americas coastlines while fighting against alternate energy sources...but here we are. China now OWNS the largest future energy industries.

 

No...I don't, it simply has nothing to do with my initial point and I am trying to prevent your hijack.

 

Your initial point is Trump would hurt farmers by gaining control of illegal immigration. You refuse to admit that a legal worker visa program would be a far better way to obtain cheap labor.

 

Have A Nice Day

 

I will, victory is sweet.

 

What did you win?

 

A chess game. I said check mate and the other guy got up and left the table

 

If you see someone preventing you from hijacking a thread and dismissing you as useless as "Victory" you probably also have your "Participation" trophies in a glass display case with your 3rd grade Gold Star spelling papers. Just so you know...they have drugs for your condition.

 

Trade "deals" favor politician buddies

 

" When debate is lost slander becomes the tool of the loser" Check and Mate

 

No, we've repeatedly played games with Canada over softwood lumber on behalf of forest companies who own lumber production in both countries. We accuse Canadian firms of dumping lumber here, slam them with tariffs, the price of lumber jumps because we don't have enough lumber to meet our domestic needs without their lumber, and the forest companies who own producers in both countries make more money.

American consumers and Canadian workers are the big losers. Every new home in America that uses lumber costs thousands more to build.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%E2%80%93United_States_softwood_lumber_dispute​

Both countries play trade games. The Canadian province of British Columbia only allows Canadian wines to be sold in B.C. grocery stores, a clear violation of NAFTA. American producers have brought an action against British Columbia that will undoubtedly be successful.

As for free trade with Canada ... we'd be totally nuts to lose preferred access to our largest foreign market for manufactured goods at the same time giving up preferred access to raw materials from the second largest source of raw materials in the world. We have a trade surplus with Canada.

Canada just signed a free trade deal with the EU, is talking about a free trade deal with China, and may well sign the TPP.

 

Probably not. U.S. Gulf Coast refiners want Canadian heavy oil.

 

They get a break because of the Free Trade Zone, so yes.

 

Canadian Oil Exports to the United States Under NAFTA (PRB 06-33E)
https://lop.parl.ca/content/lop/researchpublications/prb0633-e.htm
Nov 16, 2006 - It has been suggested that, under NAFTA, Canada can do nothing to curtail oil exports to the United States, even in the event of energy shortages at home ... Article 604 explicitly prohibits NAFTA members from imposing any export tax or duty on the sale of energy or petrochemical products, unless the same ...

 

Canada's oil industry in trouble over Trump's NAFTA plans:

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/oet.12481/pdf

to 3,256,000 bpd, paralleling an increase in Canada's oil production from 2.3 to 4.5mnbpd. President Trump has not made it clear what he wants from a renegoti- ated NAFTA in terms of energy; but one idea that is actively being floated in Washington is a so-called “bor- der adjustment tax,” which would be, in effect, a tax on.

 

They can still trade with Canada, just under new terms.

 

We have plenty of timber here but it can't compete with the government subsidized Canadian timber industry.

 

I don't know what you think you discovered, but both countries benefit from free trade. We have a trade surplus with them and even if NAFTA falls apart, we revert to a pre-NAFTA free trade deal with them.

The dairy dispute isn't about Canadian dairy farmers dumping product here but about Canada putting tariffs on our products to block sales in Canada.

How are we getting screwed by Canada who sells us raw materials and buys our manufactured products when we also have a trade surplus with them?

 

Please come back when you are informed of the nature and structure of our Half trillion dollar a year trade.

Bully? yes. Bogus complaints to the arbitration border and imposition of outrageous tarriffs (bombardier, softwood lumber,dairy) to build pressure then intransigent insistence in scrapping the dispute resolution mechanisms or no deal. Clumsy and obvious trumpian negotiation tactics.

He is so culturally blind he doesn't understand a thing about CAnadians. WE can take a hit and we can counter punch. Canada has filed a complaint with the WTO citing over 200 instances of US malefeasance with a dozen countries including Canada.

. zero sum transactional strategy in international trade negotiations is virtually guaranteed to NOTHING but animosity.

Its a truly pathetic performance to all that understand such stuff.

 

We have a trade surplus with Canada and a trade deficit with Mexico.

What makes anyone think Canada will sign a deal that increases our trade surplus with them? There's some dirt people won't eat.

 

So do tariffs.