Marine faces 15 years behind bars for unknowingly violating gun law

I disagree. I think it is a wonderful example of how poor the man's argument may be.

The onus was not on the website to deliver accurate information, it was on the individual to find out what the law says.

Well hold on a minute there. No where in the article does it say he checked New York's website. it says he checked a website. A website. Let's not try and shift the argument into something inaccurate here.

I am an avid supporter of gun ownership and have plenty of them myself. I am not a supporter of stupidity, which is what this clown exhibited. I have loaded guns in my house right now.

I never mentioned him. I am not sure what your comment is in reference to.

 

Their lack of common sense and human decency is downrite bone-chilling - throw the Marine in prison b/c a website gave him the wrong info and he tried to check in his gun w/security when he arrived in NY......

Can anything get anymore twisted than that? I'm sure it will.....

 

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Yep, if he was a criminal, he could of just hid his firearm. That way I doubt he would be facing jail time. But since he is law abiding (or least tried to follow the laws), its automatic jail time apparently.

 

Please look up the definition of 'circumstance' as you clearly do not understand the word and its usage.

Plaxico lived and worked in NY. Plaxico had an expired license. Plaxico took a loaded gun into a club without any intention of revealing its presence to security. Plaxico discharged his loaded gun in a room full of people.

At no point did Plaxico attempt to comply with the law. This MARINE tried to comply and surrendered his weapon willfully.

It is amazing to me that anyone who can access the Internet could be stupid enough to think that these are 'pretty much the same circumstances.'

 

Being a Former Marine... He should be sentenced. When he took the test - you stated that he understood that the laws are different between states and places. He was supposed to check with the state their Concealed Weapon Laws before he left his stand and then again BEFORE entering any building (especially Gov't)....

If he was still in - he would have be subjected to the UCMJ for not being responsible...

 

Sounds reasonable, but seems like an excessive sentence for a guy with no intent to break the law. Makes me think the law is a bad one.

 

Excessive or not, being a Marine or a Former Marine, makes it worst and he should be made an example out of that NOBODY get's a free pass when it comes to laws.

No offense, but we need to be held at a higher code!

 

Exactly! There was no criminal intent on the Marine's part.... and just a little bit of common sense would have told the authorities that there wasn't a mistake on the Marine's part, but the website he read........

It's (*)(*)(*)(*) like this that turns a decent, caring person into an angry and bitter one......

 

now maybe i missed it, but I didnt see where he said what website he checked.

for all we know he got his info from lewrockwell.com

 

This sucks now...

The online gun-law information Jerome read was inaccurate, however, and his late September arrest initiated what may become a protracted criminal saga. He hasn’t yet been indicted by a grand jury, but there may be little legal wiggle-room if he is.

“If he does get indicted, and they want to give him something less, then the legal minimum would be two years,” noted Mark Bederow, Jerome’s attorney. “They couldn’t even offer less if they wanted to.” (RELATED: The Daily Caller’s Guns and Gear section)

Jerome isn’t the first out-of-state visitor to volunteer that they had a gun, only to be put through the wringer. In December, Tennessee nurse Meredith Graves noticed a “no guns” sign at the World Trade Center site and asked where she could leave her weapon, only to face similar charges.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/03/m...-unknowingly-violating-gun-law/#ixzz1iXCsJc00

Depending on where he read the information, if it was a "state" site, meaning it is updated by the State of New York - he should get off...

http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/03/m...ehind-bars-for-unknowingly-violating-gun-law/

 

I would agree with that....if you dont have reliable information available regarding local laws for people from out of state, its a bit unreasonable to hold them to those laws...

my guess is it wasnt a state website

 

if anyone was stupid it was the marine as he didn't try to hide his idiocy like plaxico did he announced he had a gun in a state that has a mandatory minimum sentence of 3 years in prison for illegal possession

Plaxico was victimized by this law the same as the marine as he wanted to excercise his right to bear arms

 

So you think the marine was dumber than Plaxico?

That is such a stupid comment that I am considering making you the first person I have ever put on ignore. Well done.

 

Individuals do not have a right to keep and bear arms in New York. Ryan was ignorant of this law. Plaxico was not ignorant but chose to act in defiance of the law. Plaxico demonstrated criminal intent. Furthermore, Plaxico's criminal choice was reckless as demonstrated by the resulting public discharge of his firearm and the injury that occurred because of it.

Idiocy is demonstrating poor judgement, not being ignorant. It seems to me the guy who shot himself in the foot while trying to commit a crime demonstrated poorer judgement. JMO

 

Because the Marine wasn't trying to hide anything, but follow the law - that made him an 'idiot'?

Speaking about 'idiocy'........

Sometimes I really wonder - do you post your psychobabble b/c you really believe your delusional crap or just to get a rise out of posters?

 

put it this way a smart person who did wrong would work around the system to avoid punishment as plaxico did, if he didn't shoot himself by accident he would have got off scott free

the marine was really dumb because he didn't do his homework and instead of working around the system he admitted guilt and gave the gun to the first person of authority he saw

he deserved the sentence more than plaxico did for being extra dumb

 

the marine knew he was in the wrong at the moment he gave the gun to the authority and that is an admission of guilt right there he cannot claim ignorance for that

an intelligent person in that situation as plaxico did would avoid punishment at all costs when they know they are in the wrong that is a survival instinct

anyone who willfully wants to take on punishment for committing crime that is their right but on the same principle they should accept punishment for the idiotic action

 

A smart person would eh? Since Plaxico didn't work around the system to avoid punishment and instead shot himself in the foot and then got arrested... can we assume Plaxico is not "a smart person?"

He didn't give "the gun to the first person of authority he saw," "he walked up to a security officer at the Empire State Building and asked where he should check his gun." Checking your firearm is what you are legally required to do when entering a government building in many jurisdictions.

No, he thought he was doing the right thing: checking the firearm. He was ignorant of New York's more strict laws as have been many visitors to New York.

It seems you didn't read the article before posting you opinions of it.

 

Not forgetting that the source of this article can hardly be considered mainstream I followed the link to the alleged "inaccurate information" and found nothing. Kindly post the source.

But we dont know this actually occurred.

 

both of them violated the law and that is not a smart thing to do, but plaxico was smarter after he violated the law he tried to save his freedom rather than handing an illegal weapon to an authority figure to accept punishment

that was poor judgement why would anyone ask to check their gun in a state where they are ignorant of the law, it could lead to a mandatory minimum 3 year prison sentence.

on that same principle he should be put in prison, no one gets a free pass for breaking the law not even plaxico a famous guy.

marines are trained to do their homework for every states law before they bring their guns there they don't get any special priviledges because their servicemen

 

Ayuh,... So,... yer an Ex-Marine,..??

Ya, Right....

 

Is the prosecution/imprisonment to harsh? That isn't for me to decide.

However, I do not feel sympathy for the guy. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. If someone chooses to roll the dice, that is one thing, but don't claim innocent via ignorance when confronted.

 

Then the Marine is responsible for his actions and to the laws that are in place....

It's like sending an electric bill to the gas company and stating that you got the wrong address from your neighbor and thus should not be pentalized in having your lights turned off...

 

You're right and, unless a pardon is granted, he will most likely be held responsible. However criminal intent is, and should be, a consideration in most cases. It's impact is diminished in this case, because of how the minimum sentencing requirements are structured. Which makes me think the minimum sentencing requirement makes this a bad law. JMO