Marrs proves that Oswald not only did not Kill Kennedy,but did not kill Tippet as wel

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    so who did kill JFK and Tippet?
     
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    wow you have done no research into this obviously because if you had,you would know what everybody that has knows,that it was the CIA. we know that because in the 70's,when the HSCA investigation took place,two CIA men came forward and said-we did it,where do you want to go with this investigation? whats hysterical about the trolls who defend the warren commission that oswald was the lone assassin is they arent even aware that even the HSCA investigation concluded the warren commission was wrong,that there were TWO shooters involved hahahahahaa.thats by definition a conspiracy if you have two or more people involved.

    they concluded it was the result of a probable conspiracy but were unable to locate the other shooter.well thats because they did not want to locate the other shooter or multiple shooters.sense people were no longer accepting the lie of the warren commission that oswald was the lone assassin,they invented a new investigation which was about to conclude the same thing until accoustic evidence surfaced where you can hear 5 SHOTS being fired. so they concluded there was a probable conspiracy to kill him being confronted with that.

    the investigation was just as much of a joke as the warren commission was because sense there was evidence of a second shooter,they needed a NEW patsy,the mob.The investigation just like the warren commission was a joke though because the way we know the CIA killed Jfk is when the investigation was winding down two CIA men came forward and said-we did it,where do you want to go with the investigation? the government had to invent a new patsy now sense evidenced surfaced that there was a conspiracy so there new patsy was the mob.matter of fact one of the committe members who served on that investigation wrote a book about how he was disgusted with the investigation because just like the warren commission,they also were not interested in the truth so he resgined and wrote a book about it all.

    He resigned because the committed did not pursue that lead of those two CIA men coming forward and confessing they did it.anything that pointed towards government involvement,they ignored.

    also E HOWARD HUNT,who was one of the watergate burglers arrested in the watergate burglary,who served as a CIA operaive under Nixon while he was vice president under Eisenhower and dod covert wars for the CIA that Nixon ran then,a few years ago just days before he passed away,his son taped recorded him confessing that he was one of the members of the CIA involved in the plot to kill kennedy that day and he was in dallas that day to participate in it.so the evidence is oeverwhleming that the CIA did it.

    as far as who killed Tippet,thats unimportant,whats IS is that there was no evidence that oswald did it and that witnesses saw TWO men fire at him and run off in different directions and the descriptions of the two men by witnesses,none of them matched the descrption of oswald.

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    wow you have done no research into this obviously because if you had,you would know what everybody that has knows,that it was the CIA. we know that because in the 70's,when the HSCA investigation took place,two CIA men came forward and said-we did it,where do you want to go with this investigation? whats hysterical about the trolls who defend the warren commission that oswald was the lone assassin is they arent even aware that even the HSCA investigation concluded the warren commission was wrong,that there were TWO shooters involved hahahahahaa.thats by definition a conspiracy if you have two or more people involved.

    they concluded it was the result of a probable conspiracy but were unable to locate the other shooter.well thats because they did not want to locate the other shooter or multiple shooters.sense people were no longer accepting the lie of the warren commission that oswald was the lone assassin,they invented a new investigation which was about to conclude the same thing until accoustic evidence surfaced where you can hear 5 SHOTS being fired. so they concluded there was a probable conspiracy to kill him being confronted with that.

    the investigation was just as much of a joke as the warren commission was because sense there was evidence of a second shooter,they needed a NEW patsy,the mob.The investigation just like the warren commission was a joke though because the way we know the CIA killed Jfk is when the investigation was winding down two CIA men came forward and said-we did it,where do you want to go with the investigation? the government had to invent a new patsy now sense evidenced surfaced that there was a conspiracy so there new patsy was the mob.matter of fact one of the committe members who served on that investigation wrote a book about how he was disgusted with the investigation because just like the warren commission,they also were not interested in the truth so he resgined and wrote a book about it all.

    He resigned because the committed did not pursue that lead of those two CIA men coming forward and confessing they did it.anything that pointed towards government involvement,they ignored.

    also E HOWARD HUNT,who was one of the watergate burglers arrested in the watergate burglary,who served as a CIA operaive under Nixon while he was vice president under Eisenhower and dod covert wars for the CIA that Nixon ran then,a few years ago just days before he passed away,his son taped recorded him confessing that he was one of the members of the CIA involved in the plot to kill kennedy that day and he was in dallas that day to participate in it.so the evidence is oeverwhleming that the CIA did it.

    as far as who killed Tippet,thats unimportant,whats IS is that there was no evidence that oswald did it and that witnesses saw TWO men fire at him and run off in different directions and the descriptions of the two men by witnesses,none of them matched the descrption of oswald.
     
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    All of your links are broken.
     
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    Oswald killed Kennedy. It's as simple as that. Was Oswald a fall guy, maybe. But it's been proven time and time again that Oswald had the ability to make those shots with a high powered rifle.


    By the way, there where up to twelve eye witnesses that pick Oswald out of a line up as the shooter of Officer Tippet.
    Case closed.
     
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    nice game of dodgeball you play.you dodged every fact listed here that proves you are rambling and are clueless and have proven you have done no research into this case other than reading the textbook from our corrupt school system.:grin::weed:

    the only case thats closed,is that you have been brainwashed by our corrupt school system and the media.lol no shame in admitting that,i was brainwashed by them at one time as well.
     
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    Lol, I know. The conspiracies have conspiracies to cover the fact that you don't know what you're talking about.

    Fact: Oswald could have made the those shots that killed Kennedy.

    Fact: 12 eyewitness identified Oswald at the scene of Tippet's shooting, or as the shooter of Tippet.


    Fact fact fact.........sucks for you.
     
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    facts? your funny.all you have posted is LIES,LIES,LIES!!!!! sucks for you that you are afraid of the truth.lol

    you ignore FACTS that the description of the KILLERS at the scene of the crime,that NONE of them could describe oswald as the killer and that they described TWO MEN at the crime,shooting oswald running off in different directions and neither of them matched the description of oswald.:grin:

    and actually oswald could not have made those shots because one,his alleged weapon was a piece of crap,when they found it the scope was badly misalinged,and two-according to the warren commission,he went down the stairs in the same time frame that two other workers said they were going down the stairs.the warren commission altered their tstimonys like they did with MANY witnesses,a crime itself they should have all gone to jail for.

    face it,you've been brainwashed all these years.

    http://www.ctka.net/pr198-jfk.html

    Only two Commission witnesses were identified as actually having seen the shooting, Helen Markham and Domingo Benavides. Joseph Ball, senior counsel to the Commission, has referred to Markham's testimony as "full of mistakes," and characterized her as "utterly unreliable." 29
    Markham made numerous false statements before the Commission, such as claiming to have been alone with Tippit's body for twenty minutes after the killing. 30

    Benavides was not taken to a police lineup. He later testified that he had told police after the killing that he did not think he could identify the assailant, 31
    but he did say that the killer resembled pictures he had seen of Oswald.

    Additionally, certain witnesses who did not appear before the Commission identified an assailant who was not Oswald. Both Acquilla Clemons and Frank Wright witnessed the scene from their respective homes within one block of the murder. Clemons saw two men near Tippit’s car just before the shooting. After the shooting she ran outside and saw a man with a gun, whom she described as "kind of heavy". He waved to the second man, urging him to "go on". 32
    Frank Wright also emerged from his home and observed the scene seconds after the shooting. He described a man standing by Tippit’s body who had on a long coat, and who immediately ran to a car and left the scene. 33

    There is also evidence to indicate that the cartridge shells recovered from the scene may not have been those subsequently entered into evidence. Two of the shells recovered at the scene were given to police officer J.M. Poe. Poe testified to the Commission that he believed that he had marked the shells with his initials, although he couldn’t "swear to it". 34
    However, no initials were found on the shells later produced by the police. 35
    Poe later told researchers that he was absolutely certain that he had marked the shells. 36



    oh and many witnesses told independent investigaters after the assassination,they placed oswald,ruby and tippet together days before the assassination. seriously,do some serious research into this other than listening what your corrupt school textbooks tell you.:roll:
     
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    What is wrong with you people that you glorify guillotine-fodder Heirheads? You deserve to be transported back into the dust and rubble of the crumbling castles of Europe where you belong. You're as worthless as the loyal slavish peasants toiling all day in the fields while the aristocratic trash feasted in piggish luxury. We don't need your kind in a man's country.
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    JFK was spoiled-rotten trash no better than Dumbo Dubya. He was a loose cannon who almost started World War III like a typical fraternity bully, a bored rich brat looking for a thrill. To think that, with his Napoleon complex, he would have gotten us out of Vietnam just proves how much you bootlickers worship the scum who would be living in trailers parks or in prison without their Daddy's money. "Ask not what your Kennedy can do for you, ask what you can do for your Kennedy."
     
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    oh and you are obviously not aware that ruby and oswald were working for the CIA and oswald was an FBI informatn as well.

    oh and i would say this below is interesting.lol.

    "Did Jack Ruby know LHO?"








    Did Jack Rugy, aka Jacob Leon Rubenstein know Lee Harvey Oswald?

    When we have restaurant waitresses from two different restaurants, automobile mechanics, at least four different nightclub entertainers, taxicab drivers, a fellow jail inmate, nightclub masters of ceremony, a police officer, a singer, an airport manager, telephone ompany employees, an attorney, and the mother of the State's Attorney General saying they did; what are we supposed to believe?

    Steve Thomas

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    excellent rebutalls to the facts.:weed::grin:


    and proof as always,you are afraid of the truth and in denial.

    next thing you'll say is this isnt a document kennedy drew up and was not recovered from his administration from congress in the 90's through a freedom of information act?:weed::grin:

    http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=146534&relPageId=51

    you might actually try and study jfks NSM #263 document he signed in oct 63 and the one Johnson signed two days later after his assassination #273 which was totally different than JFK's dude,hee hee.
     
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    Are you making this up as you go?

    The Warren commission identified 12 witnesses, not 2. That is a complete falsehood on your part.

    "The Warren Commission identified twelve people who witnessed the shooting,[13] or its aftermath.[14] Domingo Benavides saw Tippit standing by the left door of his parked police car, and a man standing on the right side of the car. He then heard shots and saw Tippit fall to the ground. Benavides stopped his pickup truck on the opposite side of the street from Tippit's car. He observed the shooter fleeing the scene and removing spent cartridge cases from his gun as he left. Benavides waited in his truck until the gunman disappeared before assisting Tippit. He then reported the shooting to police headquarters, using the radio in Tippit's car.[15] Helen Markham witnessed the shooting and then saw a man with a gun in his hand leave the scene.[16] Markham identified Lee Harvey Oswald as Tippit’s killer in a police lineup she viewed that evening.[17] Barbara Davis and her sister-in-law Virginia Davis heard the shots and saw a man crossing their lawn, shaking his revolver, as if he were emptying it of cartridge cases. Later, the women found two cartridge cases near the crime scene and handed the cases over to police. That evening, Barbara Davis and Virginia Davis were taken to a lineup and both Davises picked out Oswald as the man whom they had seen.[18]
    Taxicab driver William Scoggins testified that he saw Tippit's police car pull up alongside a man on the sidewalk, as he his sat in his taxicab nearby. Scoggins heard three or four shots and then saw Tippit fall to the ground. As Scoggins crouched behind his cab, the man passed within twelve feet of him, pistol in hand, muttering what sounded to him like, "poor dumb cop" or "poor damn cop."[19] The next day, Scoggins viewed a police lineup and identified Oswald as the man whom he had seen with the pistol.[citation needed] But "Scoggins admitted he did not actually witness the shooting and his view of the fleeing killer was obscured because he ducked down behind his cab as the man came by."[20]
    The Commission also named several other witnesses[21] who were not at the scene of the murder, but who claimed to have seen a man they later identified as Oswald running between the murder scene and the Texas Theater, where Oswald was subsequently arrested.[22]
    Four cartridge cases were found at the scene by eyewitnesses. It was the unanimous testimony of expert witnesses before the Warren Commission that these spent cartridge cases were fired from the revolver in Oswald's possession to the exclusion of all other weapons.[23]"

    You have been served facts, now eat up.
     
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    facts YOU keep ignoring is some of them said there were TWO men who shot him and ran off in different directions and neither fit his discription.read the links and stop trolling.
     
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    No eyewitness ever testified to two men, never! Stop making (*)(*)(*)(*) up!!
     
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    again you have been caught lying and have proven you have done NO RESEACH.you are making crap up,its very well know neighbors saw TWO men and run off in different directions,seriously stop reading ONLY what the textbooks in hostory tell you.hahahahahahahahaa

    my ignore list grows larger,you are obviuously not a serious researcher and are not openminded and too much in denial and afraid of the truth,i proved it in the link oswald could not do it,YOU IGNORED THE LINK.
     
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    Link to this information, please.
     
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    come on I asked for a SERIOUS RESEARCHER to come on here,not someone who has an obsession with me that talks to himself all the time.
     
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    this link proves there were TWO SHOOTERS there that day at the tippet shooting and that you are cluless and rambling Bluespade and that you have been taken to school.now grow up and stop acting so childish knowing you are cornered and cant refute the facts.I have proven throughout this entire thread oswald was innocent of both shootings and there were multiple shooters,if you wont read the links and ther posts and want to live in denial and be afraid,thats your problem,not mine.

    http://www.ctka.net/pr198-jfk.html
     
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    Nobody ever saw two men. You are lying.

    Benavides saw one man.

    Helen Markham saw one man, and picked Oswald out of a lineup.

    Barbra and Virginia Davis, heard shots and witnessed Oswald crossing their lawn emptying out his revolver. Where they handed to shell casings over too the cops.

    William Scoggins witnessed Tippets pull up to one man, and then heard gun shots.

    Several other witnesses identified Oswald fleeing between the murder scene and the theater where he was captured.

    Deal with reality.
     
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    See there's a difference between people grounded in reality and nutty kook conspiracy theorist.

    Grounded people use the facts available as proof in their arguments.

    Kooks rehash what one Kook conspiracy theorist who's been proven wrong more times that you can count, as fact in place of reality. And when you confront them, all they can claim is one massive cover up, which somehow stands in the place for what they lack in actual evidence.

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    Here's one more nail in the coffin of kookery.

    Documented proof that Oswald was most likely the lone shooter
    In an effort to test the rifle under conditions that matched the assassination, the Infantry Weapons Evaluation Branch of the U.S. Army's Ballistics Research Laboratory had expert riflemen fire the assassination weapon from a tower at three silhouette targets at distances of 175, 240, and 265 feet (81(*)m).[69] Using the assassination rifle mounted with the telescopic sight, three marksmen, rated as master by the National Rifle Association, each fired two series of three shots. In the first series the firers required time spans of 4.6, 6.75, and 8.25 seconds respectively. On the second series they required 5.15, 6.45, and 7 seconds. The marksmen took as much time as they wanted for the first target at 175 feet (53(*)m), and all hit the target. For the first four attempts, the firers missed the second shot at 240 feet (73(*)m) by several inches. Five of the six shots hit the third target at 265 feet (81(*)m), the distance of President Kennedy from the sixth floor window when he was struck in the head.[70] None of the marksmen had any practice with the assassination weapon beforehand except to work the bolt.
    CBS conducted a firing test in 1967 at the H. P. White Ballistics Laboratory located in Street, Maryland. For the test 11 marksmen from diverse backgrounds were invited to participate: 3 Maryland State Troopers, 1 weapons engineer, 1 sporting goods dealer, 1 sportsman, 1 ballistics technician, 1 ex-paratrooper, and 3 H. P. White employees. CBS provided several Carcano rifles for the test. Oswald's rifle was not used in this test. The targets were color-coded orange for head/shoulder silhouette and blue for a near miss. The results of the CBS test were as follows: 7 of 11 shooters were able to fire three rounds under 5.6 seconds (64%). Of those 7 shooters, 6 hit the orange target once (86%), and 5 hit the orange target twice (71%). Out of 60 rounds fired, 25 hit the orange (42%), 21 hit the blue portion of the target (35%), and there were 14 misses on the target (23%).
    One volunteer was unable to operate his rifle effectively so the following statistics are based on the 10 remaining shooters. The average time of all 10 was 5.64 seconds. The mode was 5.55 seconds and the mean was 5.70 seconds. The average for the top five shooters was 5.12 seconds, and for the bottom five shooters 6.16 seconds. There was a high occurrence of jamming during the test. On average the rifles jammed after 6 rounds. The most rounds fired without jamming were 14, 11, 10 in a row. The least was 0 (back to back).
    The first shooter to lead off the experiment was Al Sherman, Maryland State Trooper. The record of his effort: 5.0 sec: 2 orange, 1 blue / 6.0 sec: 2 orange, 1 blue / NT (jam at 3rd cartridge)/ 5.2 sec: 1 orange, 2 low / 5.0 sec: 1 orange, 2 blue. Sherman was able to fire 8 rounds before his rifle jammed. Of all shooters, the fastest times were: 4.1 sec, 4.3 sec, 4.9 sec, 5.0 sec. The best accuracy was 3 orange in 5.2 seconds. The rifles were oiled and allowed to cool down between shooters. CBS reporter Dan Rather attended this experiment.
    During the investigation by the House Select Committee on Assassinations (1976–1978), the lead attorneys for the Committee, Robert Blakey and Gary Cornwell, were allowed to use WC-139 at an FBI firing range. The attorneys wanted to see how fast the bolt action could be operated. Blakey was able to fire two rounds in 1.5 seconds and Cornwell fired two rounds in 1.2 seconds. This was an experiment to test a possible theory that Oswald in his excitement may have pointed and fired, as opposed to aimed and fired. Some critics of the Warren Commission had claimed it was impossible to fire a Carcano rifle in less than 2.3 seconds. Both the CBS and HSCA tests proved conclusively this claim is not accurate.[71]
     
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    Here's how arguments usually go with conspiracy theorist.

    Sane Person:" these are the documented facts surrounding this case."

    Tin foil hat: not uh, rabble rabble, you're brainwashed rabble rabble. I'd not have evidence to prove my case, because the massive cover up, rabble rabble.
     
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    problem with all your pitiful ramblings is AGAIN the warren commission altered the testimony of witnesses of two ladies who were running down the stairs after the shooting during the same time frame the warren commission said oswald fired the shots.the two women even wrote a book about it saying the waqrren commison ALTERED their testimonys after they gave their sotry of going down the stairs.AGAIN,many witnesses said the warren commission ALTERED their testimonys.

    a crime itself that they should have all gone to jail which you keep blatantly ignoring.:grin::weed:

    oh and nobody has been able to ever duplicate the miraclous feat of getting off those shots and getting down there to the 2nd floor where oswald was in the timeframe that the warren commission said oswald did it in either.Garrisons investigaters tried it and none of them get there in that timeframe.
     
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    tin foil hatters are the ones that go by theories that oswald did it when there has never been a shread of evidence that he did.tin foil hatters ignore REALITY that there were multiple shooters there.gee look at all these multiple unnaccountable bullets found that day that could not be traced to oswalds rifle.

    of course you wont watch these two videos since the truth scares you and you only see what you WANT to see.

    I change my mind about putting you on ignore,your too fun to debunk and watch you humiliate yourself.hee hee.
     
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    oh and as far as your 12 witnesses go that saw the tippet killing that oswald allegedly did? they were highly reliable and very suspect as these two links prove.

    the two best ones Domingo Benavides and Helen Markham? Benavides initial testimony was that he could not POSITIVELY identify oswald as the lone assassin.That he just stated he resembled oswald.that hardly would convict him in a court of law.hee hee.:weed:

    and as far as Markham? warren commission council Jospeh Ball called her an uter screwball.funny how you leave out convient facts like that.:grin::roll::grin:

    oh and here is the rest of your laughable witnesses.as these two links prove,their testimonys were VERY flimsy and hardly reliable enough to convict oswald as tippets killer .hahahahahahahahahahahahaa

    http://jfkthelonegunmanmyth.blogspot.com/2012/12/the-tippit-murder-witnesses-part-1.html


    Helen Markham




    Let’s now turn our attention to Helen Markham, whom Warren Commission counsel Joseph Ball once famously referred to as “An utter screwball”. As mentioned in my previous article, Markham was on her way to work at the Eat Well restaurant on Main Street, when she witnessed Tippit’s murder. After witnessing the shooting, Markham became hysterical and began screaming.
     
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    Earth to tinfoil...........

    Merkham picked out Oswald from a police line up. And only identified one man, not two.




     
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    You have no evidence the Warren Commission altered anything. Cough up some rock solid proof, and stop spiting out unfounded accusations.

    Everything that refutes your nutty theories has been documented time and time again.
     
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    part two.
    of the laughable witnesses.
    http://jfkthelonegunmanmyth.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-tippit-murder-witnesses-part-2.html
     

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