Mass gains of Antarctic ice greater than losses.

Discussion in 'Environment & Conservation' started by DennisTate, May 12, 2019.

?

Has the addition of H2O to parts of Antarctica saved us so far from rising ocean levels?

  1. No

    3 vote(s)
    75.0%
  2. Yes

    1 vote(s)
    25.0%
  3. Possibly.... I will research this further???

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2020
    Messages:
    26,918
    Likes Received:
    17,050
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    As is usually the case, "It's the Sun, stupid."

    Solar energy explains fast yearly retreat of Antarctica’s sea ice
    Charles Rotter
    Unlike other aspects of its behavior, Antarctic sea ice is just following simple rules of physics.


    Peer-Reviewed Publication


    UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON

    [​IMG]
    IMAGE: A RESEARCH VESSEL IN ANTARCTICA ON JUNE 3, 2017, THE FIRST DAY RESEARCHERS SAW THE SUN RISE ABOVE THE HORIZON AFTER WEEKS OF POLAR DARKNESS. NEW RESEARCH SHOWS THAT SOLAR RADIATION DRIVES THE RELATIVELY FAST ANNUAL RETREAT OF SEA ICE AROUND ANTARCTICA AT THE END OF EACH CALENDAR YEAR. view more
    CREDIT: BEN ADKISON
    In the Southern Hemisphere, the ice cover around Antarctica gradually expands from March to October each year. During this time the total ice area increases by 6 times to become larger than Russia. The sea ice then retreats at a faster pace, most dramatically around December, when Antarctica experiences constant daylight.

    New research led by the University of Washington explains why the ice retreats so quickly: Unlike other aspects of its behavior, Antarctic sea ice is just following simple rules of physics.

    The study was published March 28 in Nature Geoscience. . . .
     
    Sunsettommy and DennisTate like this.
  2. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2020
    Messages:
    26,918
    Likes Received:
    17,050
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    DennisTate likes this.
  3. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2020
    Messages:
    26,918
    Likes Received:
    17,050
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    DennisTate likes this.
  4. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2012
    Messages:
    31,418
    Likes Received:
    2,588
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    Wow!

    Thank you for this!!!!

    What do you think of the statistic given by Immanuel Velikovsky in one of his books that there may have been as many as 171 major Magnetic Polar Shifts over the past five million or so years of earth's history?
     
  5. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2018
    Messages:
    25,206
    Likes Received:
    13,670
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Apparently not since oceans have risen. You can debate whether or not its cause by man, or natural cycle, but the fact remains that oceans have risen.
     
    FreshAir and DennisTate like this.
  6. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2012
    Messages:
    31,418
    Likes Received:
    2,588
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    But when you look at the rather massive numbers regarding the melting of ice off the world's glaciers plus the cracking and sliding of ice off the LAND BASED Greenland Ice Pack you can easily see that ocean level rise would have been much greater if it were not for the amount of ice being ADDED to most of Antarctica.

    MULTIMEDIA
    Greenland Ice Loss 2002-2021

    Estimates of ice loss off the world's glaciers that are sitting on land is also rather high.

    Speed at which world’s glaciers are melting has doubled in 20 years
    This article is more than 1 year old
    Glacier melt contributing more to sea-level rise than loss of Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets, say experts

     
    Last edited: Jan 30, 2023
  7. Sunsettommy

    Sunsettommy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2017
    Messages:
    1,648
    Likes Received:
    1,408
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    They look big until you contrast it with total mass then it is actually small from the charts are based on IMBIE database LINK

    Antarctica,

    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    ===

    Greenland,

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
    DennisTate likes this.
  8. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2018
    Messages:
    25,206
    Likes Received:
    13,670
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    So, this is to celebrate the fact that there is still one place left which is not contributing to the problem.
     
    DennisTate likes this.
  9. Sunsettommy

    Sunsettommy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2017
    Messages:
    1,648
    Likes Received:
    1,408
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    What "problem" is that?
     
  10. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2018
    Messages:
    25,206
    Likes Received:
    13,670
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Could it be the topic of the thread.......? The rising sea levels..............
     
    DennisTate likes this.
  11. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2020
    Messages:
    26,918
    Likes Received:
    17,050
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Your guess is as good as mine.
     
    DennisTate likes this.
  12. Sunsettommy

    Sunsettommy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2017
    Messages:
    1,648
    Likes Received:
    1,408
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The slow sea level rise isn't a problem.
     
    DennisTate likes this.
  13. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2018
    Messages:
    25,206
    Likes Received:
    13,670
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Its a problem in many places, because places a flooding (like Miami), and seawalls need to be raised (like Ft Lauderdale).
     
    DennisTate likes this.
  14. Sunsettommy

    Sunsettommy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2017
    Messages:
    1,648
    Likes Received:
    1,408
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Nature Geoscience: “Eastern Antarctic Peninsula Ice Sheet HAS GROWN Over Last 20 Years”

    LINK
     
    DennisTate likes this.
  15. Sunsettommy

    Sunsettommy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2017
    Messages:
    1,648
    Likes Received:
    1,408
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    No, it is not a problem since it was humans who start cities in flood zones in the first place such as Houston, New Orleans, Miami, Venice and many more thus the fault is with us.

    Meanwhile the current sea level is actually around 2 meters lower that it was a few hundred years to thousands of years ago.

    The Holocene Sea Level Highstand

    LINK


    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    More in the link based on published sea level papers.

    Then we have Doggerland.....

    [​IMG]


    LINK

    Then we have DROWNED CITIES from thousands of years ago......, gee we are barely making it today all 7 billion of us!

    LINK
     
    Last edited: Jan 31, 2023
    DennisTate likes this.
  16. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2018
    Messages:
    25,206
    Likes Received:
    13,670
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Why do you think we need to raise sea walls in Ft Lauderdale? Its because the water is higher than before. Trying to say "you should have built in the mountains" doesn't remove the fact that the water is rising. Its rising, and we need to deal with it.
     
  17. Sunsettommy

    Sunsettommy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2017
    Messages:
    1,648
    Likes Received:
    1,408
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Never denied the sea level is rising, never said we should build it in the mountains thus your entire argument fails.

    You ignored that cities have been going underwaters for THOUSANDS of years, yet we continue to start cities right at the edge of ocean waters and in swampy land near the oceans thus repeats the SAME problem all over again, maybe because of mankind's arrogance and dismissal of the power of Earths geological process is the real problem.

    Shall we get angry at Santorini LINK for wiping out a civilization that built it all on a dormant VOLCANO!!!
     
  18. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2012
    Messages:
    31,418
    Likes Received:
    2,588
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    Why don't you run this by the city government of New Orleans because it is a fact of history that the residents of that city built where they did........

    because white people like my ancestors and distract relatives in the USA .......

    ... did NOT want to build their homes there in an obvious flood zone.

    The exact circumstances of the building of homes in New Orleans was one where the home owners there did not have very many other options available to them!

    My main point is that investment in deliberately turning deserts green is a win, win, win, win, win, win, win scenario for HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE who happen to be living on real estate that is subject to the threat of rising ocean levels.

    I am hoping to get M. P. and Minister of Immigration Mr. Sean Fraser as well as M. P. Iqra Khalid interested in this general topic because it could become a significant factor in film production in both Central - Nova, N. S., as well as in Mississauga, Ontario, Canada.


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...rd-high-in-2022.607027/page-2#post-1074003374



     
    Last edited: Feb 1, 2023
  19. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2012
    Messages:
    31,418
    Likes Received:
    2,588
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Interesting..... very interesting indeed!

    Jack Hays... am I incorrect to be concerned about the threat of rising ocean levels?

    Am I an idiot to be thinking that the town of Truro Nova Scotia... and the city of Moncton New Brunswick.... are in the position of the proverbial canary in a coal mine when it comes to the threat of rising ocean levels?
     
  20. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2020
    Messages:
    26,918
    Likes Received:
    17,050
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Coastal subsidence on the east coast of North America is a different question from sea level rise.
     
    DennisTate likes this.
  21. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2012
    Messages:
    31,418
    Likes Received:
    2,588
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    That is a truly brilliant response and I will link this in with a question that I posed on a discussion forum that I eventually got banned from!


    "Physics question related to the geography of the Bay of Fundy?"
    by Dennis Tate on sciforums .com


    If average ocean levels were to rise by ten centimeters.... .would
    the multiplier effect of the geography of the Bay of Fundy continue?

    The fact that the Bay of Fundy funnels tidal waters plus......
    it is over 170 miles long, (274 kms), it produces high tide level that are tenX to fifteenX over the difference in tidal waters where I live.

    So... could high tide levels near TRuro, N. S. to Moncton, N. B. be up by a meter or more if average ocean levels were to rise by ten centimeters?
     
  22. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2012
    Messages:
    31,418
    Likes Received:
    2,588
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Exactly... .but the structure of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet
    makes it especially vulnerable to rapid collapse....... rapid cracking and sliding of ice into the ocean....



    [​IMG]



    https://www.waisworkshop.org/eos


     

Share This Page