Medicare For All is best way to capitalism:

Other countries are different. We are unique.

 

Government pays 20 cents on the dollar, so it would be cheaper initially. Then doctors and other providers would leave the industry because it wasn’t profitable. And then there would be massive shortages.

 

this doesn't happen in any other first world nation with single payer. so there is no reason it would happen here.

 

So your opinion is just based on your “feelings”, got it.
And Democrats are supposed to be the party of emotions...

Seems y’all have taken that mantle

 

Who do you think would fill that vacuum?

If the Deep State and their corrupt Oligarch wannabes have no check on their power, it could be a lot worse.

 

Can you name a single time government took over any private sector concern and made it either cheaper or better?

Before the feds got deeply involved in education, ours was both much cheaper and much better than it is now.

Power corrupts every government undertaking which is why government sux at most things.

 

Medicare for all will cost trillions of dollars and operate with a deficit. Everyone knows this. We’ll go from $22 trillion in debt to $50 trillion pretty fast. And if interest rates rise, we’ll default on the debt.

But I’m ok with that. I want this whole thing to crash so we can start over with sane, limited government. So by all means, let’s go with Medicare for all and bring this nightmare to an end.

 

In the UK, try getting cancer treatment if you’re over 65.

It’s called rationing.

 

they get cancer treatment over the age of 65.

care is rationed in our system currently. Switching to single payer, would provide better care for a fraction of what we pay now.

 

You drank the Kool Aid. I can’t reach you.

 

facts is not koolaid

 

Healthcare in every first world nation. We currently rank mid 20’s in terms of care except highly specialized areas like uncommon cancers.

I am gonna need a source on that one, or is it just another “feeling” of yours?

Ok
Private companies getting rich is so much better and they are not corrupt at all...

 

Most studies have actually shown that a national healthcare system will actually lower the overall price from what we are paying now because of simple negotiation and economies of scale.

Again, where is your source that national healthcare will raise the debt?
I’m sure you can find one on Fox or briebert

 

It's amazing that anyone could watch government work and say that.

 

We ration care now

 

We have copious amounts of evidence which shows single payer systems provide better care for less than what we pay in our system.

 

It's not just cancer. Rationing occurs across the board, especially for older patients.

Are you telling me you don't know the education system has gone down the tubes? Really?

Yes, private companies are also corrupt.

The best way to minimize the influence of corruption is to allow freedom and competition.

The dumbest thing is to take the most corrupt people in America and give them a monopoly with the power of government to stop competition.

 

That's painfully ignorant.

We don't rational houses, food, scotch, clothing, pictures, bicycles, or healthcare.

Not supplying something free is not the same as rationing

 

We ration healthcare every single day in this country. It's called HMOs

 

The Egg Council has found that Americans should eat 3 whole eggs every day to avoid malnutrition.

 

BS. There is ZERO evidence of your claim.

The richest and most Progressive state, California, looked into Single Payer and said it would bankrupt the state.

Now try some critical thinking:

If Single Payer would bankrupt the richest state, run by the most Progressive state, how could it possibly work Nationwide?

(Hint: It can't)

But please try..

 

Of course it can

 

You realize most older citizens are on government insurance, right? Rationing occours for non-emergency procedures and for every one you can find that fell through the cracks outside the US I can find 50 in the us that either didn’t have money for care, went bankrupt, or our healthcare completely discarded.

That wasn’t the claim I was asking a source for. I know the only way you MACA groupies can win is by continuously switching arguments but do try to assume some integrity.

I agree, we should allow private insurance and have them compete against national healthcare. Let’s see who wins.

There is a reason why many of the skyscrapers in the US have insurance company names on the side of them, it’s isnt because of all the good work they do.

 

Joining an HMO is voluntary.

Socialism is forced on people with the power of government.

 

Brilliant retort.

Explain how California can't afford it but every other state can.