Mehdi Hasan nails it on MLK and CRT.

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  1. Bluesguy

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    How long should there be black privilege? When will we know it can be ended, what are the measurements, the indicators? What else needs to be done?
     
  2. Bluesguy

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    And many blacks do quite well in this country and are quite successful how do you explain that?

    And why should you expect a better life if you do not take advantage of the free education that is afforded you, do not take advantage of all the jobs avail to you and do you best when you do get hired, engage in crime, have children out of wedlock at a young age, abuse drugs and alcohol?

    Affirmative action is not going to stop those problems in our black population, blacks have to cure those problems within their own communities and they have no right to blame others.
     
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    BINGO.

    I will say that I think cops should have more hands on community out reach and have tough conversations like how to properly handle a traffic stop and what not as to try and dissuade the fear blacks have of police. Resist arrest or get instantly combative because they think their lives are in danger.
     
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    Way to get everything wrong.
     
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    Really? I beg to differ.

    CRT in college relies heavily upon Intersectionality which teaches that you have an oppressor class and an oppressed class. Combined with CRT... which teaches that essentially EVERY system within the American paradigm, including education, is predicated upon racism benefiting the white oppressors and being disparately detrimental to the non-white oppressed class... the FRAMEWORK which we are discussing is one in which you predicate your lessons and learning plans upon that ideology.

    And if that’s the ideology then, as a teacher, you feel obligated to do two things. You need to make sure the non-white kids get as much help as they possibly can to make up for the gross injustices of their ancestors and you have to make sure you don’t help the white kids too much because they’ve had enough privilege in their lives that they don’t need more.

    Moreover, you feel the need to inundate the children with all of these examples of racist white people discriminating against blacks in an attempt to “educate” them about how their skin color makes them racist oppressors or oppressed victims.

    That is NOT how children should be educated.
     
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    Best thing you can do "for the negro" is encourage him to recognize his personal agency and reject the white saviours who presume he is less capable than they and will in fact perish without their largesse.
     
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    A stronger police presence!! Why? So MORE unarmed black men can be shot. Remember those riots you like to rail on about.......that's what they were about, the racist policy of police and blacks and your solution is a "stronger" police presence. What could go wrong. There are virtually no racial and ethnic differences in the profiles of solo and cohabiting fathers. How arrogant of you to say that whites have better social principles and to think that blacks don't want or try to have as good as education as whites, not to mention that they don't have the same "choices". You really don't know what the situation is.
    A dismissal of a problem that (above) you have a lack of understanding (much less any empathy).
    Was she black? Did she marry well when she got here?
    Don't worry, you're very clear that you don't feel guilty of anything. Here's something, I don't either but that doesn't mean I close my eyes to the reality of our society. I'm not "reinventing" racism. What good would that do? Hell, you don't even realize that the good old fashiioned kind is alive and well and that war you're reffering to.......a large part of the country doesn't realize that they lost and are still pissed about it.
     
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    Have you seen how these communities treat the police and how little assistance they offer?
     
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    It’s called dying in a war for them. I won’t do anything for them that I wouldn’t do for a white. They get no special treatment
     
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    No laws and policies force white people to abandon their children and have babies out of wedlock either and they have more so what's your point since that''s the core of literally EVERYTHING?
    Guess you will blame Democrats for anything and all things.
    Blacks ignore education? You have proof of that? All races have those other "activities".
    Get a clue
     
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    I didn't get anything wrong. You think I did? Be specific on how I was wrong.
     
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    That would be correct if it was being done. It's not
    That is a gross exageration of a premise that is wrong in and of itself
    A conclusion drawn from a false premise
    Good thing they are not.
     
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    False. CRT and Intersectionality also teach that if you are part of the oppressor class you are INHERENTLY and UNIVERSALLY guilty of perpetuating that racist system for your own benefit whether you consciously know it or not. Making EVERY SINGLE white person and child you’re teaching a racist based on NOTHING more than their skin color.

    Furthermore, CRT is essentially making the argument that ALL white people are either morally or intellectually deficient. As a white person you are either morally deficient because you recognize the racist system and your own racism but refuse to stop it. Or you’re intellectually deficient because you’re racist and you perpetuate a racist system but you’re not intellectually cognizant enough to recognize you’re racist. Why? Because you’re white of course... making you inferior to these other races who aren’t universally and inherently racist.

    And this is the bullshit y’all feed teachers and have them use as a framework to teach our white “racist” children.
     
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    So that black people wanting to get through life LEGALLY and correctly being a part of society are protected from those who chose otherwise?

    Seems fairly straight forward.

    She was alone and starting with nothing. Unless black people are somehow inferior to white people...I'm not sure I understand why her race matters?

    And don't pretend there is a glass ceiling anymore. We just elected a black person to the highest ****ing office in the world. There are no boundaries a black person cannot cross with hard work and smart life choices.

    Why should I feel guilt over anything? I wasn't a slave trader. My race fought to free slaves. And the only countries that continue to have slaves are predominantly black.

    I don't give a flying **** about how you start off in this life. That's something non of us can control. What matters is what you do with the time given to you. If you want to spend that time bitching and moaning about something that happened in the past that can't be changed instead of bettering yourself and forging your own destiny...that's a big ****ing fail for you.
     
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    I wouldn't want to do the job that's for sure. And those that would scrutinize don't even have the first ****ing clue as to how to do the job.
     
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    First, Neither are being taught so your point is irrelevant. Second, racism is based on nothing more than the color of one's skin.
    Wrong. In fact it's so wrong it borders on ludicrous. Do you have ANYTHING to back your view or you'er just making crap up to fit your view.
    Again, CRT isn't being taught so you're fighting windmills.
     
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    No, it seems blindly naive.
    It matters because that's what we're talking about. Now you're being blindly disengenious or oblivious to the subject
    (SIGH) Right. Yes, we did, and was hounded on the point of being black for 8 years. Like you said above.....why would his race matter? It did, it does and that's the point.
    The fact that Obama did become President is what has brought what used to be covert racism out into the open.
    Our race fought to keep them....did you forget that?
    Really?
    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-that-still-have-slavery

    Top 10 Countries with the Highest Prevalence of Modern Slavery (by total number of slaves) - Global Slavery Index 2018:
    1. India - 7,989,000
    2. China - 3,864,000
    3. North Korea - 2,640,000
    4. Nigeria - 1,386,000
    5. Iran - 1,289,000
    6. Indonesia - 1,220,000
    7. Congo (Democratic Republic of) - 1,045,000
    8. Russia - 794,000
    9. Philippines - 784,000
    10. Afghanistan - 749,000
    Definition of white privilege.
     
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    So far you've gotten everything. CRT is being taught thousands of parents have seen it's evil and it is by almost by definition racist.
     
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    So more of the criminals can be stopped and those communities become safe productive places in our society again. Until that happens nothing anyone can due can solve the problems within these black communities. Their will be no "choice" or opportunity. Please explain how opening them up for MORE crime is the better path.
     
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    It's not a matter of shear numbers for comparison but one of prevalence as in percentage

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    The 10 countries with the highest prevalence of modern slavery are

    1. North Korea
    2. Eritrea
    3. Burundi
    4. the Central African Republic
    5. Afghanistan
    6. Mauritania
    7. South Sudan
    8. Pakistan
    9. Cambodia
    10. Iran


    https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/2018/findings/global-findings/
     
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    No, no it's not. People (like YOU) have been led to believe it is.....but it's not.
    Please....give an example of where.
     
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    I never said they should be opened up for more crime. Where are these terrible communities by the way?
     
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    Ok?
    Do you think you just proved that the countries with the most slavery are black because that's what was said.
     
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    There's quite a few on the list aren't there, 5 of the ten.
     
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    The ones you were discussing...................geeeezzzzzzzzzzz. You are against a stronger police force, enforcing more laws, complaining about how much they are being enforced now what do you think will be the result?
     

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