Michael Oren falls on his face

Neozionism's apartheid wall around Bethlehem- the cradle of christianity;



Christians- do you really want to pay to see this regime despoil Bethlehem ? They do it with your taxes.

 

Interesting, Borat. You are so confident in your claims that the Christian Arab populations are decreasing because of Muslims, yet when I ask you repeatedly to even name a country where this is happening you repeatedly ignore it.

I think you and Oren had the "Israeli" hasbara classes together, same teachers?

lol

 

In this thread I've provided multiple reports from very reputable sources of Muslim mistreatment of Christians and Christian exodus from every corner of the Arab/Muslim world. The case is based on leading German and/or pro-muslim Arabic news organizations and is rock solid but if you want to investigate every arab country individually - be my guest, go right ahead and do your own home work.

 

If Palestinian Christians themselves are saying that the reason they seek to leave, is due to this soul destroying Zionist occupation, that is good enough for me.

How dare bloated false Christian Zionists, thousands of miles away, in the US, say any different.

What staggering levels of denial and arrogance can they stoop to next?

No matter what you show to the Zionist, they will refute it. It is like a mental illness, in which they lie pathologically, and suffer from a state of almost permanent delusion.

Show them Palestinian Christians who are likely best placed to speak for Palestinian Christians, and the Zionist in America will believe that they know more than the actual Palestinian Christian that lives there, and who can choose their own words.

Show them religous Jews who robustly oppose the creation of Israel, and Zionism, and they will airbrush those Jews, as if they do not exist.

Show them intellectual non religous Jews, like Finkelstein or Chomsky, and these will be self hating Jewish anti semites.

Show them a Jewish holocaust survivor that criticises Israel, and they will turn on an old man, and harrass him.

Zionists hate Christians, in reality.

John Hagee claims to be Christian, but all he is is the very personifcation of what I explained above.

He will visit Israel to metaphorically give them a blow job, while being totally blind to both the teachings of Jesus, and the Palestinian Christians.

Zionism hurts everything it comes into contact with, including religion.

It has damaged Judaism.

It has damaged Christianity in the US.

It has damaged Islam.

Jack

 

Christians are approximately 4% of the West Bank population and nearly 10% of Israel's Palestinian population and the British Mandate's Christian population was 7.9% (1946) of the total population. Christian Arabs tend to be wealthier and better educated than Muslim Arabs, which afforded them a better opportunity to immigrate to the West and America's immigration policy promoted their emigration, contributing to the “brain drain” problem throughout the Middle East. Some Christian Arabs may claim religious persecution but they immigrate to the West to seek a better life just like other economic migrants.

 

You're first report was an op-ed from Ynet... In which only a handful of people actually took seriously. Read the Talkbacks, especially the Palestinian Christians who commented.

You're second one, I noticed you left out the introduction... I'll help you out

Oops... I can see why you left that out. Sorry.

My oh my Borat, even Oren would laugh at you by now. This, and the other thread about Ahmadinejads speech. Did "Israel" cut its funding towards it's Hasbara PR campaign?

Now can you please name some countries where the Christian population is declining?

 

Some stayed. That is the problem.

 

11 people walked out, 10 of them were muslims. Yawn. Oh and they broke the law, were arrested, prosecuted and convicted.

 

The Ynet op-ed piece was to answer your question and it did a very good job explaining the situation. I provided other sources, notably Der Spiegel and arabic sources showing that the Christians are fleeing from every corner of the Arab/Muslim world, that Islamization, discrimination, attacks against minorities, intolerance are all on the rise in all Arab/Muslim countries.

 

Lol, the Der Spiegel article is anything but academic. For example, in the case of Lebanon, it relies on solely on the words of former patriarch Sfeir (who is anti-Syrian/Iran/Hezbullah). I wonder what conclusions Der Spiegel would come to if it interviews the current patriarch, Boutros al-Rahi- who leans more to the March 8 camp (not that it really matters). Also, you must really be an idiot (troll) if you think we're going to seriously take the opinions of some individual on a pro-Israel website.

Meanwhile, in the real world:

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Po...s-are-fleeing-Islamization.ashx#axzz1lVCdE6ke

 

Could you supply the census source for this claim? As you know by now so many Zionist apologist claims as to ‘facts’ have turned out to be anything but that. So we have to check. I searched for one but failed.

What I could see is that since 1990 the numbers of Christians in Israel has leapt, but over the past few years this has dwindled to a current negative trend with emigration now outstripping immigration of Christians. But these were not Arabs. These were Russians following the breakdown of the former Soviet Union.

So I repeat, show us the statistical source for your claim – you know, numbers in and numbers out. I suspect that there is a very GOOD reason why it is difficult to find these numbers. What do you think it might be, Borat?

You did give references, indeed. It is just a pity that you tried your standard trick of selectively quoting from them so as to distort the meaning. But as you know, we check, and OJLeb caught you flagrantly with your trousers down around your ankles doing so.

I put it to you Borat, that the reason for the exodus of Christians from Palestine is the same as the reason for their exodus from Iraq and from Israel (as is the outflow of Jews from the latter). Not some specific discrimination, but an overall deterioration in the political and economic. And what is the main cause of that?

 

For somebody attempting to describe the wrong incident....you yawn a lot.

A recent incident of students shunning Oren's propaganda fantasies;

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...-out-of-israeli-ambassador-s-lecture-1.427480

 

March 20, 2000: the Christian population in Israel numbers over 130,000

In 2011, 154,500 Christians lived in Israel

That's 20% growth.

In 2011, 154,500 Christians lived in Israel... Of those, 80.4% (124,21 are Christian Arabs.
....
According to the statistics, Christian Arabs had the highest rate of success on matriculation exams in the country in 2010, with 63% of Christian 12[SUP]th[/SUP] graders earning certificates, compared with 58% of Jewish students, 55% of Druze students, and 46% of Muslim students.
http://www.jewishpress.com/news/new-statistics-on-christians-in-israel/2012/01/04/

Next time please do your own homework, it's not that difficult to Google, is it? I hope you are not boycotting Google because its founders are jewish?

 

Same link, same 11 muslim students arrested, 10 of them convicted. F&ing uncivilized criminals!

 

Borat, do you realise that all you did was to show that the number of Christians in Israel grew between 2000 and 2011. We know that Russian Christians continued to arrive in Israel during that period. You have therefore not shown what you claimed, namely that the numbers of Arab Christians had grown in recent yours in Israel. You fail.

Secondly you make an unsubstantiated assumption that the % of Arabs amongst Israeli Christians has remained constant over those 11 years. I hope that you have evidence for this.

Next time please do your own homework

 

False. You are attempting- without accuracy- to describe an incident from 2010. You want to retract ? Apologize ? Improve ?

Why do I expect ' none of the above ' ?


Some educational reading;

 

Nappy time.

 

First I never claimed that the number of Arab Christians in Israel grew (it did, see below), I claimed that the number of Christians grew, I find it rather racist of you to draw distinction between Arab and non Arab Christians in Israel. Second, the data I provided also demonstrated that the arab christians are doing remarkably well in Israel, in fact better than jews.

That said the number of non-arab Christians in Israel is less than 20% of all Israeli Christians, given the 20% growth of the Christian population in Israel in the last decade, such result without the growth of the Arab christian population would be a mathematical impossibility.

 

Whose turn is it to fry one of Borat's desperate posts ?

 

LOL, nice try, except for the fact that Christians flee en-masse from every corner of the muslim world except Israel where the Christian community grew 20% in the last decade and is doing extremely well. The fact that you all have failed to refute.

 

It's been established that the number of christians in Palestine has declined because of the brutal neozionist occupation. I don't give a monkey's how many dumb evangelists visit Israel.

 

It's been established that the number of Christians in the Arab/Muslim world had drastically declined and they keep fleeing. It's been established that the number of Christians in Israel has increased 20% in the last decade and they are doing extremely well. I don't give a monkey's how many dumb evangelists visit Israel either, especially given that it's not part of this debate.

 

Christians are both thriving, beleaguered in Israel

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=250956

Guess that settles it.

 

Further:

According to population projections and given the higher fertility rate among Muslims,[4] it is estimated that by 2020, the Arab Christian population will shrink from 1.8 to 1.6 percent of the total population of Israel, while the Muslim population will grow from 14.5 to 19.34 percent.

Added to these dismal demographic projections for the Holy Land's Arab Christians is their ever-increasing tendency to choose emigration given the present difficulties in both Israel and the Palestinian Territories. The principal reason for the dramatic rise in Christian emigration has been the continuing Israeli military occupation and the denial of the sovereignty of a Palestinian state wherein Christian Arabs could feel at home economically, politically, culturally and spiritually.


2. LAND

Since the beginning of Israeli occupation in 1967, expansion and development of Palestinian land holdings and housing has been severely constrained. The Israeli Civil Administration (the military administration governing the West Bank) has repeatedly denied provision of building permits to Palestinians. Approximately 60 percent of the West Bank - not including Jerusalem - has been confiscated by the Israeli government since 1967 to construct 194 Jewish settlement communities housing approximately 25,000 residents. In addition to the ever-increasing settlement construction, the period since 1967 has seen a dramatic rise in the number of 'protective' Israeli military installations throughout the West Bank.

Systematic and strategic placement of Israeli settlements since the beginning of the Peace Process in 1993 has resulted in a patchwork of land confiscations, buildings and road construction in the West Bank and Gaza. Each settlement has a military presence and military checkpoints to ensure the security of those Israelis occupying the Palestinian territories. At the same time each settlement disrupts the life and commerce of Palestinians. For instance, Beit Sahour is divided into two sections by surrounding settlements. In Beit Jala, Israeli settlements occupy a large portion of the area's prized archeological sites. In addition, Israeli settlements have depleted a large share of the water out of the West Bank aquifer for their unrestricted use and have seized many tourist sites.

The Jewish settlement community in the Palestinian territories continues to grow. Although growth is currently at a slower pace than at the height of settlement building in the late 1970s, the overall settlement population increased by some 5,000 people in the last year. In fact, a recent Peace Now survey finds that a total of 25 new settlement sites have been established in the West Bank since the prime ministerial elections in February 2001.[9]

5. THREATS TO PERSONAL SECURITY

A. Shelling and Military Bombardment. Israeli military continues to employ tanks, helicopters and snipers. Rather than crush a handful of Palestinian militants as intended, these inflammatory acts punish an entire group. In recent weeks, the situation has reached its most dismal point. Daily attacks on Palestinian targets often harm innocent bystanders. It appears that the Israeli government is pursuing a policy of gradual reoccupation of the Palestinian territories.

In the past months, Bethlehem, Beit Sahour, Beit Jala and Ramallah have been subject to Israeli bombardments, tank fire and rockets. Most Christians have stayed out of the direct fighting; however, Muslim rioters and Tanzim (Palestinian paramilitary extremists) often shoot from the rooftops of Christian houses to the nearby Gilo settlement, thus bringing Israeli military retaliation upon Christian civilians and their homes.

Numerous Christian homes have been damaged (366) or destroyed (12) by indiscriminate rocket fire in Beit Sahour alone. More than 95 houses in Beit Jala have been hit by gunfire, as the small Christian village is steadily becoming the "front line" with Israel. Other Christian homes in these areas were occupied by soldiers, who confined residents at gunpoint, destroyed personal property and used the homes as strategic outposts, often for snipers. Even though the soldiers have now departed, victims of these incursions suffer from constant fear, especially the youth.

B. Settler mob violence and harassment. Certain fanatic members or groups within the settlement communities also pose a potential security threat to their Palestinian neighbors. In the past year, settlers have rampaged through Arab areas, vandalized buildings, torched cars, beaten, shot and in at least a dozen cases killed Palestinians. They have harassed olive pickers, stoned vehicles, set fields on fire and fired on farm workers. Israeli settlers are rarely called to account for their actions or subjected to punishment since law enforcement agencies most often either turn a blind eye or treat them with leniency.

http://www.hcef.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=106&Itemid=1

 

It sure does and absolutely confirms my previous reports, the Christian population in Israel is growing and is doing remarkably well. The Christian population of all other Middle Eastern Muslim/Arab states is shrinking every year.