Michael Oren falls on his face

2006:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel-...-numbers-148-000-as-of-christmas-eve-1.208151

2012:

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/new-statistics-on-christians-in-israel/2012/01/04/

An increase of 6500 in six years. Fascinating growth indeed. Perhaps Borat has some statistics concerning Christian population growth in every Arab/Muslim state to test is claim.

 

I'll leave him to you.

I placed him on ignore months ago, and with good reason.

He has a good spade, and digs a good hole.

Anyway, back to topic.

Isn't it just soooo typical of the whining shills, that Michael Oren actually makes a personal call to the chairmen, about a programme that had not yet been aired? To complain and claim persecution, before anything had been broadcast?

If perfectly illustrates how the Zionist wishes to control every aspect of what is offered to you, by way of using their lobbyists, apologists, and affiliates, to bully anyone in the media that does not toe that line.

If people are happy with their media being hijacked, bullied, and used in this way, by a minority politcal idealogy, all they need do is nothing.

If American Christians would sooner believe someone like Michael 'First Time For Everything' Oren over what SHOULD be their Christian brothers in Palestine, then all they need do is nothing.

A Zionist is a liar and a criminal by definition.

We must remember this at all times, when engaging in discourse with a Zionist, or when reading anything that is written from the poison pen of a Zionist.

Take Netenyahu (Please, just TAKE him).

Here we have a man that is offended by everything, and ashamed by nothing.

He is meant to be the PM of a supposedly 'civilised' first world country.

He is meant to behave in a manner which is responsible.

And yet, here we have this utter clown, and Zionist bastard child, making hysterical, irresponsible, and dowright false implications between Iran and 'another holocaust'. This being quite out of step with the more responsible wording of the Israeli army COS, who said that sanctions on Iran were working well, that Iran were governed by v rational people.

Quite out of step with what Iranian Jews themselves have told Israel's political elite.

Yes indeed, despite the efforts of Zionists to BRIBE Iranian Jews to turn their back on their homeland, and set up, presumably on more stolen land, these Iranian Jews told the Zionists to get stuffed, and that they were proud to be Iranian.

Not something the Zionist brain can compute, given it's fairly rudamentary understanding of anything but money.

Now, you have to wonder, if this fictional account that the like of Netenyahu, and much of the Zion media were true, why on earth would every single Iranian Jew not take the Zion bribe? If all of this BS about how Muslims hate Jews by definition were true, and that Persians want 'another holocaust', then every single Iranian Jew would be leaving, right now, en masse. Yet they don't. Not even when offered said out ball.

Could it possibly be because the Zionist narrative of Iran hating Jews is just yet more BS, and in reality, Iranians do not hate Jews at all, but they may not much like the Zionist regime that occupies Jerusalem?

And what is wrong with that?

Since when has one been OBLIGATED to like an idealogy that it doesn't want to like?

Jack

[video=youtube;vA7yz2vciGk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA7yz2vciGk[/video]

 

That's about 5-6% growth - pretty standard (if not healthy) growth consistent with other Western and European countries. Again your blind hatred skews your ability to objectively look at the data:
Just a couple of random examples:

the annual population growth of
the UK 0.48%
France 0.5%
United States 0.97%
Lebanon 0.24%
Japan -0.11%

Israeli Christians: 1%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_growth_rate

 

As Erskine Childers advised in 1961, always check all Zionist claims.

As we can all see, Childers was utterly correct. If you have ever wondered, Borat, why I respond so often to your posts, you now know.
I regret to say this Borat, but you are an utter fraud.

 

Must be klipkap's turn.

 

BoRat - While I respect Some of Wikipedia information - there's no denying that Hasbarist /Jewish supporters of Israel - regularly monitor Wiki and falsify the information. That's how Zionists have always operated , so I'm afraid your information remains suspect.
Like the Rabbi said " On ze udder hand " you'll learn that even Israel's staunchest supporters are beginning to wake up and no longer so keen to blindly swallow Israel's lies :

"
For most American Jews and Israelis, evangelical Christians are synonymous with zealous, biblically inspired support of the Jewish state—so zealous, in fact, that it makes some Jews uneasy. But the days when Israel could count on unconditional support from evangelicals may be coming to an end.

Last month, a conference convened in Bethlehem by Palestinian activists and Christian clergy long at odds with the Jewish state managed to bring a number of leading lights from the evangelical community in North America and Europe to the Holy Land. Many of the speeches at the conference touched on themes that one would commonly hear at a BDS teach-in, like blaming the entire Middle East conflict on Israel’s occupation and the settlements.



Indeed, the name of the conference, Christ at the Checkpoint, is indicative of the different direction this segment of the evangelical movement is heading toward. The idea is that evangelicals should rethink their support for a state that occupies another people and oppresses them. Once they get the full story, conference organizers hope, Western evangelicals may find they have more in common with the downtrodden Palestinians than with the Israelis.

To pro-Israel evangelicals and Zionists who were paying attention, Christ at the Checkpoint was a wake-up call. The larger trend, which for want of a better phrase might be called the pro-Palestinian evangelical movement and is indeed spearheaded by Palestinian Christians, is already changing minds. Giving them momentum are money raised in the United States, theology, and perhaps most important of all, a movie. The documentary film With God on Our Side is leaving many former pro-Israel evangelicals wondering why they never heard the Palestinian side of the story.

Many friends of Israel, as well as Israelis, have long been concerned that evangelical support is premised largely on self-interest of an especially macabre nature. Israel, in this reading, is ground zero for the apocalypse: Before Christ can return to Earth, the Jews must return to Israel and the Temple must be restored, ushering in first a time of tribulation and then a reign of peace.



Of course, the apocalypse and Christ’s return is not the only justification for Christian support of Israel. Indeed, this end-time scenario embarrasses some evangelicals whose support is premised on the idea that God keeps his promises, not only to Christians but also to Jews, to whom God pledged the land of Israel. This conviction is further buttressed by a sense of historical responsibility, specifically to stand with the Jews and atone for the failure of Christians during the Holocaust to save the nation that gave them their savior.

Though the vast majority of evangelicals still maintain that support, for the first time since the establishment of Israel in 1948, there is an increasingly heated debate in the evangelical community that may augur a shift in the political winds. And if the Christ at the Checkpoint camp wins out, the pro-Israel Jewish community that once looked warily upon evangelical support may come to regard that movement with nostalgia.

***

“The debate in the Jewish community should not be about whether or not to be comfortable with Christian support for Israel,” David Brog, executive director of Christians United for Israel, told me last week. “Christians are going to be involved in the issue whether we are comfortable or not. The question is whether they’re going to be on Israel’s side or not.”



Christians United for Israel is the United States’ largest and best-known Christian Zionist organization. Founded in 2006 by John Hagee, pastor of the CornerStone Church in San Antonio, Texas, CUFI boasts over a million members. Hagee has found himself in the middle of political controversy in the past—most recently during John McCain’s unsuccessful 2008 presidential campaign when his statements regarding the Holocaust were misinterpreted and McCain rejected his support. (Hagee declined to comment for this article.)

Hagee and other figures base support for the Jewish state on biblical foundations, specifically on Genesis 12:3, where God tells Abraham, “I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee.” The message is clear: Those who support Israel will be rewarded by God. But pro-Israel evangelicals have sent their flock out into the field vulnerable—that is, without an account of the conflict that besets the citizens of the present-day homeland of the Jews. Armed primarily with a biblical defense of the Jewish state, some evangelicals told me that they feel unprepared to justify it on political grounds.

This gap has made room for people across the cultural and ideological spectrum—whose motivations run the gamut from genuine compassion for Palestinians to anti-Semitism—to fill the space with their own interpretations of contemporary Middle East history. Not surprisingly, many of these narratives tend to be drawn from precincts of the left, like the BDS movement, that are known for their hostility to the Jewish state. What is peculiar is that these accounts are being entertained and sometimes embraced in evangelical churches, Bible schools, and Christian colleges that are not typically known for their progressive politics.

It wasn’t difficult for these Christian critics of Israel to find a weak link in the Christian Zionist narrative—it’s the ethical morass inherent in the formulation of Genesis 12:3. The children of the Bible, Christians as well as Jews, believe that all people are created in God’s image and are therefore born with individual dignity. But if people of faith are supposed to bless Israel because they’ll be blessed in return, then they are treating others, Jews and Arabs, not as individuals but rather as instruments in their own spiritual drama.

You can’t treat people as chess pieces, says Porter Speakman Jr., the 40-year-old director of With God on Our Side. This 82-minute-long documentary, which premiered in 2010 and is now being shown at churches and college campuses, has had a major role in tilting evangelical opinion, especially among young people, against Israel. Speakman told me in a phone interview that isn’t aim isn’t to “delegitimize Israel, but to be critical of policies that are having an effect on real people’s lives.”

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/97155/christians-for-palestine/


Israel have been able to fool some Christians some of the time but wont get away with fooling all evangelical christians All of the time.
The writing is on the Wall - + it'll soon be on the Wailing Wall.


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Yes, and for anyone that thinks Marlowe has crossed the realms into 'conspiracy theory', something the Zionist loves to claim about ALL things that get a bit too uneasy for them, what he writes is true, 100%.

The Zionists have a long and ignoble history for...wanting to revise history, from a Zionist perspective.

Imagine a world in which all of history and current matters were told through a Nazi narrative.

Or a communist narrative.

You would object to that, would you not, eps if the narrative was a simple rewrite of history, on most occasions.

Well then - do not object to the idea of something like that, when what you actually have is that.

Fella....just LISTEN to the outright victim mentality, mixed with arrogance, as shown here.

Read the comments under the footage, I think they reflect an increasing awakening among non Zionist and racialist Jews.


[video=youtube;hMBramnCg_s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMBramnCg_s[/video]

 

Fair enough, the words were not mine, they were part of a quote I included in my post 2 days ago and today I did not remember every word of it, so yeah, you are correct, I did say that the Arab Christian community is growing in Israel and did not remember/denied it today. LOL, congrats on catching me on this minor and totally irrelevant technicality, what a crowning achievement of the entire Islamafascist mob.

More importantly though, I also proved it, the only country in the Middle East where the Arab Christian community is growing is indeed Israel. My original statement was absolutely correct even if I forgot making it. Checkmate!

 

Good luck with that. Borat can't even name me the countries.

All he has done is this thread is repeat, over and over, that the Christian population in "Israel" increases while every other country in the Middle East decreases. Sometimes he changes the wording. Give credit where its due.

 

Yeah obscure you tube videos definately fall into the realm of conspiracy theories. Moving on....

 

That was in fact Goomba's post showing a healthy 1% growth of the Arab Christian population in Israel, that's a higher rate of growth than it is in just about any Western, European, North American and even South American country.

And I gave you the entire region (not individual countries) where the Christian (arab and non-arab) population is rapidly shrinking. It's called the Arab world (aka the Middle East without Israel). I provided reliable facts and verifiable quotes from unbiased and pro-Muslim (not pro-Israel) sources that prove the Christian exodus from the Muslim lands beyond any doubt. If you need the list of states - don't be lazy, pull out a map of the middle east and do your own homework.

 

You are comparing the growth of a couple hundred thousand people to the growth rate of entire countries... Well done.

Region yes, but where are your numbers to back it up? What was the Christian population of Lebanon in 2010 and 2012.

You convienently call it the Arab World because you cannot name specific countries. And this is your homework, as you are the one making the claims, not me. I am saying, prove it.

And you seem to be trying to take the thread off topic, from the now documented persecution of Palestinian Christians due to the occupation to the growth rates of Christians in the region. It doesn't change the fact that the "only democracy in the Middle East" actively persecutes it's Christian population.

 

Of course I do, the growth depends on birthrates, immigration/emigration tendencies, health care, not the size of a community. If Israeli chritistians reproduce as fast/slow as French/American/British christians and don't flee (the way they flee from muslim countries) - their situation is just fine.

This was the only point I was making and I am glad we agree. The Middle Eastern region (except Israel) is rapidly losing its Christian population. If you want more details on each one of 23 arab states - you dig them up.

Disproving the claim of persecution by demonstrating that the Arab christians are in same miserable situation all over the arab world is not taking the thread off topic. And the only democracy in the middle east does not actively or passively discriminate against them. Of course petty discrimination by people and companies does happen, just as it happens elsewhere but it's not any worse than it is in France, the US, the UK and infinitely better than in the Muslim world. In fact the Israeli Christians are doing amazingly fine, in many respects better than the Jews.

 

It doesn't work like that. The growth rate of a population does depend on its size. Or are you saying there is no difference between the growth rates of a population of 100 000 and 1 000 000, if both populations increase by 1 000 people a year? The one with 100 000 will have a higher rate because the population is smaller, even though they increased the same amount.


Sigh... I meant you gave me the region but that was it. And again, you won't even quote the parts where I ask for your proof. Face it, as many times in this thread, you lost. You can only quote specific parts of peoples posts to avoid actually having to prove what you say.

What was the Christian population of Lebanon in 2010 and 2011?


Well it seems many of those Christians would disagree with you. Borat, do you live in "Israel"?

 

It's 0.88% growth anually (of course, this is assuming it was constant). This is including the immigrant population; the arab population apparently grew 0.68% anually (+4,128 persons in 5 years- again assuming it was constant). Also, the total Christian population in "1948, Christians totaled 2.9 percent of the population, and in 1972, the figure was 2.3 percent of the population"- in 2006 it was 2.1 percent and in 2011 it was 2 percent (including immigrants, of course).

Like I said, fascinating growth indeed (one should also note OJ Leb's input). BTW, still waiting for those stats.

 

Well, we have had several Zionists of the synagogue of satan tell us they know better about Christians in Palestine, than Christians in Palestine.

We have had them tell us they know more about Iranian Jews, than the actual Iranian Jews.

And now, as we can see here, we have some New York Jews, who went out, and in a peaceful manner, handed out leaflets saying that they were Jewish but do not support the occupation.

And what do the AshkeNAZI's do in response?

They spit.

Perhaps one of the lowest and most ugly actions anyone can do.


[video=youtube;9XMsxjl5ulc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XMsxjl5ulc&feature=related[/video]

 

I was telling you exactly the opposite, the growth is measured as a percentage for a reason, the absolute numbers are meaningless. The growth rate of the Israeli Arab Christians has been about 1% a year for the last decade which is twice as big as the population growth in the UK, France, and dozens of other western countries.

 

Since you refuse to quote my posts in their entirety leaving out most of the part where I ask for your proof, I'll take the pleasure of including my entire post to my responses

Now, growth rate is measured in a percentage yes, but that is meaningless when comparing a population of ~200 000 to a population of ~62 000 000 (UK) and ~65 000 000 (France). With population differences that big of course the smaller population will have the higher growth rate.

And you were the one who initially started this comparision which is illogical.

Why not compare it, directly, to the Christian population growth rates of the Muslim countries?

 

LOL, you are kidding, right (let alone contradicting your previous post)? Are you saying that the smaller population will necessarily have more children per family just because it's a smaller community? then explain why tiny Samoa and Estonia (and dozens of other small states) have negative growth if based on your theory their growth should be in double digits? LOL better yet take some math/statistics classes, they will teach you that percentages are used because they make sense.

 

No, the smaller population needs to have less immigration and fewer children to have a higher growth rate than the larger population.

I am not used to seeing somebody actually compare a population of 200 000 to 60 000 000, sorry. That just seems illogical, regardless if you use percents or not. 59 800 000 people is a big difference you know.

 

Perfect explanation. Guess what, the opposite is also true, emigration also affects a smaller population disproportionately. Given the small population of the Arab Christians in Israel, their population growth proves beyond any doubt that they are not fleeing from Israel, they are all staying, which can't possibly be said about the rest of the Arab/Muslim world.

 

Yet you cannot provide any numbers to prove this.

You are becoming a waste of my time.

 

Goomba did, 1% annual growth rate of the small Christian Arab community in Israel. As you correctly pointed out in your previous post, given the small size of the community even tiny emigration would have brought the growth rate deep into the negative territory, the positive growth rate is the irrefutable proof that Christian Arabs are staying in Israel. I'd like to thank you and goomba for making my case for me.

 

Whoa. that WAS quite a hatchett job by Simon wasn't it. I can understnd Mr. Oren's mystification being blindsided in the manner he was. I found the piece incomprehensible myself. Can't quite figure out their objective other than using certain phases to inflame folk an utterly otherwise incomprehensible interview.

 

Really?

Explain how.