Missile Defense Shield Threat To Russia -Putin Warns Of Nuclear War

I've always thought that's what any future warfare will be - I mean a few phials of something nasty placed here and there is obviously much cheaper than military hardware.

 

Don't worry, the insane have already guaranteed their places in the nuke-proof bunkers.

(With apologies to Ethereal for not reading his post first!)

 

There is no missile shield capable of withstanding a mass missile launch.

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There's a BBC documentary soon on Porton Down-our lovely chemical and biological weapons facility.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07hx40t

 

Perhaps more than anything, this story demonstrates how absolutely pathetic the western media is. As Gore Vidal said, the corporate grip on opinion in the US is one of the wonders of the western world.

 

the problem is we have missile defense in western Europe via Aegis system, then we put more in middle Europe, now eastern Europe, Russia consider this as expansion into their sphere of influence. if Russia put similar type system in cuba or for example mexico etc we will be cry foul too. that being said I think putting missile defense in eastern Europe is part of punishment and counter to Russia. but it will lead to more reaction from Russia, and eventually new cold war. at least this will give Russia more excuse to boost up their ICBM number/capabilities.

 

then why would Russia cry about it, the problem is not about 1st strike its the 2nd strike. for example a hypothetical situation where we felt Russia might lunch their nuke or unstable or other reasons etc, then likely we will consider preemptive strike against Russia, thus eliminated most their ICBM, simultaneously we hunt down their boomer etc. with majority of their ICBM gone, Russia 2nd strike is weak enough that missile defense from Europe/Alaska+Aegis ship+other place can intercept most Russia 2nd strike hence the cost to US/Europe is minimized.

so Russia worry is not about they lunch it 1st, is what happen after 1st strike, how would they countered using 2nd strike.

also the shield is not only can defend against ICBM but also other conventional missile and can attack military satellite.

like I said if Russia put similar system in cuba or whatever, well be worried too.

 

Russia has more than 4,000 nuclear weapons.

the NATO defense shield can stop maybe 100 missiles.

Putin must be a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing idiot to think this is made to stop a Russian nuclear attack.

 

read my post its not about 1st strike, also it can be used to attack sat or intercept regular missile during conflict. Russia has that many warhead, but most don't have lunch system. out of 4000, Russia only has few hundred that are ready to lunch. warhead vs complete system that can be lunch in a moment is different things. china has several hundred warhead or more, but they only has few dozen ICBM etc.

if missile shield is really useless then there is no point to put it there in the 1st place, obviously we didn't think its useless.

MAD is there because NO ONE want to use nuke 1st, if other party has 2nd strike capabilities to make it too costly. take out the 2nd strike, MAD disappear

 

First strike, second strike-who cares? Either way we'd all be dead, dying or eventually starving to death after a nuclear exchange. There is no survival scenario except for the elites in their bunkers.

 

well if we eliminate their nuke 1st, then they can't strike back without our defense, so ill live, they are dead

 

the NATO missile shield is to defend Europe against missiles from North Korea, Irain, even China.

Russia is welcome to make their own.

 

Don't be silly. Both the US and Russia possess the technology to detect a nuclear missile launch within seconds. If the US launches then Russia will launch in return, immediately. They won't wait.

 

only an idiot belief that. there are plenty place to setup shield to counter iran/n.korea than Poland/romina

 

not necessarily, disable enemy ICBM site has many form, b2 stealth, cruise missile, sabotage etc or all these form. in the event of use nuke, an conventional war already happened for significant period of time, which mean both Europe/Russia defense already weakened, which make above method easier.

also like I said these missile can also used for other purpose not just shield.

also Russia has a lot warhead in storage but few system ready that can lunch it. the point is not how we see it, is how Russia see it as threat, and how they gonna counter it, which in turn we gonna counter it again, hence the increase in escalation.

 

Interesting how many people 'know' what the other side has in terms of numbers and capability. Someone's not keeping their secrets very well. Or perhaps too well?

 

Can you imagine all those missiles being shot at and falling along the Russian border? If I lived anywhere near there I would be very, very worried.

As for putting missiles in Cuba, they won't be necessary. Russia is investing heavily into stealth subs with powerful rockets that can shoot missiles anywhere ...thanks to Washington.

Russia is also developing its electronic warfare, which might save us from bombs, but destroy us by making all our power resources null and void. Even worse though than not having water purifying plants, sewage, telephones, radios, TV's and food would be not having internet. Arghh!

 

after USSR dissolved, both US/Russia reach an agreement on how many warhead etc they can have and a reduction plan was in place, hence the # of warhead between US/Russia are known to both and its pretty accurate on credible website. the agreement was for Russia to dissemble its warhead.

 

Actually, Russia is the only nation who has moved through annexation of bordering territories. Russia is the only nation alleging the independence of the Baltic states is illegal.

 

You are naive

 

Worried that Putin doesn't stop "freaking out".

 

Permit me to explain the logic at work here.

When you're a revanchist warmonger invading and dismembering neighboring countries, anything that deters your continued aggression constitutes a threat to Russia.

And now that Vlad the Invader's worshippers, sycophants and apologists have their talking points, forward to the Interwebz!



Putin is just another tin-horn autocrat. Without the American bogeyman to distract the Russian people, they would inconveniently focus on things like the mystery of how their president has managed to amass a fortune conservatively estimated at $70 billion on an annual salary of $150,000/year.

 

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Why is the MAD cold war starting up again? There are several reasons why both Russia and NATO are playing their respective parts in the drama. Of course, each side blames the other -- which is standard procedure -- but after fifty years it is pretty obvious that Mutually Assured Destrction is a game for two players.

The scary part is that neither side can directly stop the dance even if it tried sincerely. Only indirectly effective policies which reduce the opponent's immediate need to escalate can be effective.

Poland has been an aching tooth in the Russian Bear for centuries. Instability in the Crimea region has a similar history. Economic stagnation never helps the cause of peace.

 

Firs of all we are intelligent people here in the West and we do not buy any of your regurgitated diarrhea from the constipated Moscow Kremlin propaganda machine. The misses are defensive and are not nuclear therefore not in any way any threat to Russia is the only country that is partially in Europe that poses a threat to Europe and any peace loving humans. Russia is the only European country in the last 50 years to invade another country. Russia in a barbaric country that is harmful to world peace so a Facsist piece of human crap such as Putin has no leg to stand on accusing others of threatening war.

You Kremlin apologists and paid Putin trolls need to stop farting out all these lies and hateful crap.

 

When did Russia say the independence of the Baltic states is not legal? You are pulling things out of your hat you know. The only thing Russia is upset at is the apartheid system the Baltic nations are using against part of their population.... which is probably not legal. It's because of the illegality of what they are doing, that the Baltic nations are so paranoid...and it's going to be their destruction in the end.

Now wouldn't it be smarter if they started treating all their citizens as equals the way the Russian Federation does with all its 123 different languages and ethnicities?

As for Crimea, would you rather Russia had not responded to their call for help? You do know that they were ambushed by the Right Sector on their way back from Kiev and seven were killed and thirty are missing. ..and presumed dead? The Right Sector threatened to go to Crimea and kill them all for speaking Russian...and this is why Crimea declared its independence.. .and this is also why they asked the Russians stationed there for protection.