MOD ALERT Palestinians - Their hatred is the cause of their misery.

One thing is for sure - I can agree that you are one of those frustrated.
IDF, "young boys" of Hezbollah, Aipac etc.. All that is BS.
At the end of the day - The blooded hands of those who everyday murder and butcher Arabs and Muslims are Arabs and Muslims !!

 

Carolyn Glick dares clarify Israel's status vs the Arabs and Great Britain VIDEO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yx_ML5oCtMU#!

Caroline Glick is the deputy managing editor of The Jerusalem Post. She is also the Senior Fellow for Middle East Affairs of the Washington, D.C.-based Center for Security, graduated from Columbia College of Columbia University in 1991 with a Bachelor of Arts in Political Science.

She worked in the IDF's Judge Advocate General division during the First Intifada in 1992, and while there edited and co-authored an IDF-published book, Israel, the Intifada and the Rule of Law. Following the Oslo Accords, she worked as coordinator of negotiations with the Palestinian Authority. She retired from the military with the rank of captain at the end of 1996. She also served as assistant foreign policy advisor to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

 

FACT: Any nation founded upon discriminatory racial, ethnic, religious or other invidious criteria is inherently tyrannical.

This is true of the "Muslim" nations and "Israel" equally.

Any nation founded upon inherent tyranny should be condemned as tyranny by government can never be justified.

 

I notice you want to be evenhanded when you denounce tyranny... I just wanted to state for the record that 22 Arab countries were created on the soil of people who were tyrannized to extinction and their country transformed into an Islamic country.

The Jewish people's land is not Arab nor Muslim... We cannot be overwhelmed with Muslim/Arab squatters and lose our identity to be forced to return back to 3000 years of exile (this is irreversible). The Jewish people are alive and well, and they have ONE COUNTRY to call their own!

Caroline Glick Speaks at the 2013 Jerusalem Post Conference

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ncF-NSiOrQ

 

There is no such thing as "Muslim People" or "Jewish People" land. All Property Rights exist with the individual and "groups" have no Property Rights.

In the purest sense of Property Rights the Inalienable Right of Property is established by the Labor of the Person. Whoever established the Right of Property based upon "Labor" (either directly by working the land or indirectly by the trading of labor stored as "money" for the land) is the rightful owner of the land.

Bottom line is that there is no such thing as Muslim Land or Jewish Land because those both refer to "groups" and "groups" do not have any Rights such as the Right of Property.

Also of note is that a person can lose their Right of Property based upon abandonment.

 

There is!!!!!!!!!!!! When it pertains to a People (The Jewish People returning back to their ANCESTRAL HOME)!!!
(A country is recognized according to History and Archeology.)

 

Again and do try this time answer the question ...... I though your lot was sent into the wilderness for not adhering to your gods laws! Was it not god ... Your god who said he would give you Israel? And your lot stole someone else's land. Your god isn't going to be pleased with your lot again is he.
What right did you have to steal that which does not belong to you?

Highlander

 

From the French under Napoleon to Bush, not to mention the 'Crusades'. Don't they do history in America?

 

Well, assertion doesn't create fact, you know. What personal attack are you talking about? I was genuinely giving you advice - your opinions are not rational, clearly: just a sort of crazy hatred of people you appear to know nothing about. Go meet some Muslims and stop ranting, do.

 

The "People" refers to the individual and Rights are not cummulate. It doesn't matter what the person's religious beliefs are, what their race is, or what ethnic heritage they might have, or other criteria as the only criteria is that they are an Individual Sovereign Person.

From an inalienable Rights standpoint there is no such thing as the "Jewish People" although there are individuals that may or may not be Jewish and each has the identical Inalienable Rights.

As also noted a person loses a Right of Property if they abandon that property over time. In the United States we even have laws related to abandonment that are called "adverse possession" laws.

Even the descendent of an ancient family living in a territory that could document their lineage would have a virtually impossible chance of establishing claim to land that their ancestors may have owned thousands of years ago. To even attempt to make that claim they would first have to provide documentation that their family "owned" a piece of land and then documentation that the specific piece of land was wrongfully stolen from their family which would invalid future ownership of the land. As time passes there are also pragmatic considerations that affect the ownership of the land.

We have a perfect example in the United States related to the Sioux claims to the Black Hills. This was a territory where the Sioux were granted sole ownership by the US government but their Right of Property was violated over 100 years ago by "white" settlers predominately because of the gold in the Black Hills. Towns like Deadwood exist on stolen land and technically those living there have no legal rights related to the real estate because it was stolen. The US government and the Sioux are trying to reach a compromise where those in "illegal" possession of real estate, that they purchased in good faith, will not lose their real estate and somehow the Sioux will be compenstated for their loss.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hills_Land_Claim

Finally, on a very interesting note is the fact that the "nomad" and the "settler" both have Inalienable Rights to the Land. No one actually "owns" land (we cannot literally "own" the Earth) but instead they have a Property Right to the Use of the Land. This is an issue of Inalienable Rights of the Person that has yet to be resolved but the fact is that an Inalienable Right cannot infringe upon another Person's Inalienable Right and the "nomad" also has a Right to the Use of the Land that is equal to the "settler's" Right to the Use of the Land.

Bottom line, once again though, is the fact that the territory designated as Palestine in 1922 belonged to the Individuals that were living in Palestine or that had lawful title to the land in Palestine. It didn't matter if they were Jews, Christians, or Arabs because Inalienable Right of the Person are not based upon such distinctions.

 

"The cause of the Jews would be half won if only their friends brought to their defense a little of the passion and the perseverance their enemies use to bring them down.
(Jean-Paul Sartre, anti-Semite and Jew)"

On 13 November 1997, the world community committed a crime against the Jewish people and the Jewish State. An emergency special session of the UN General Assembly voted for a resolution that urged Switzerland to prepare for a conference of the parties from the Fourth Geneva Convention (which bars settlements on occupied land), to enforce the convention "in the occupied Palestinian territory, including Jerusalem."

In blatant violation of its own Charter, the UN labels as "occupied" the territory of Judea, Samaria and Gaza, knowing very well that only the Jewish state and the Jewish people have legitimate rights to this land. (There were never in history a delineated land space assigned to the so called Palestinians, recognized by the World at large).
In 1946, when the UN was established, there were still several places in the world under the League of Nations mandate system. To allow the continuation of the existing mandates Article 80 was included in the UN Charter. It states that "nothing...shall be construed in or of itself to alter in any manner the rights whatsoever of any states or any peoples or the terms of existing international instruments to which Members of the United Nations may respectively be parties."
On July 4, 1997 the Australian lawyer David Zinger wrote in A Mandate for Peace that Article 80 "was incorporated into the Charter as a result of intense Zionist lobbying...to ensure that the terms of the Mandate for Palestine were fully implemented...and not allowed to die with the League of Nations." He further recalled the fact that, based on this article, "the International Court of Justice in an Advisory opinion on South West Africa (1950 I.C.J Reports 12 decided that the substantive obligations of the Mandate over that territory continued in force despite the dissolution of the League of Nations. The Court affirmed that these obligations remained the essence of the sacred trust of civilization despite the dissolution of the League of Nations."
On 13 November 1997, the sacred trust of civilization was broken. The UN, successor of the League of Nations, has disregarded the only existing legally binding document that pertains to the territory of Judea, Samaria and Gaza -- the British Mandate which, in Article 6, required the mandatory to "encourage...close settlement by the Jews on the land." It is exactly this Article that facilitated the reestablishment of the Jewish State.
True, in November of 1947, UN General Assembly resolution 181 was issued, recommending a "Plan of Partition" of Palestine. The Arabs rejected the resolution outright and Azzam Pasha, secretary-general of the Arab League, proclaimed, "The partition line shall be nothing but a line of fire and blood." The terrorist operations that began against Jewish targets on the day after the UN vote escalated into a full-scale aggressive war against the newborn state. It was Jordan, and not Israel that occupied the land of Judea and Samaria as a result of this war. Like the Romans, who changed the name Eretz Israel to Palestine in order to obliterate the name of the Jewish state from the memory of mankind, the Jordanians introduced the term "West Bank" trying to convince the world that they had always owned both banks of the Jordan River. When Israel liberated Judea and Samaria in 1967 justice was restored -- the only lawful owner of the land regained possession of it. It is ridiculous to say that Judea, Samaria and Gaza are "occupied territories' as these areas are, in fact, areas of the Mandate, where the Jews were and are encouraged to settle.
Any arguments that this land should be transformed into an Arab state, as was recommended by resolution 181, are immoral. One cannot wage an aggressive war for 53 years, lose it, and then come back and demand the return of territory that one lost because of this war. One cannot arbitrarily select only those international agreements which suit ones needs today, but were rejected the day before. One cannot turn back the wheel of history. Today is not the year 1947. The train has left. The Arabs did not want to catch the train then; it is immoral and unjust to assist them in getting on it now.
Anyone using Resolution 181 as an argument in defending the Arabs desire for one more state has to bear in mind that, using the same kind of logic, Israel can demand to return to the year 1922. It is then that Britain, in violation of the Mandate, pushed through the League of Nations the creation of Trans-Jordan, chopping off 76% of the territory designated for the reestablishment of the Jewish State. Israel not only has the moral right to do so, but legal rights as well. Article 22 of the Mandate, which was used as an excuse to create Trans-Jordan, provided only for the "postponement or withholding" of certain provisions of the Mandate that could have been "considered inapplicable to existing local conditions." The words "postpone" and "withhold" signify temporary delay; they do not mean "abrogate forever." Therefore, any claim that Judea and Samaria should be transformed into an Arab state can be easily met by an Israeli demand to resume the provisions of the Mandate relating to the establishment of the Jewish national home in the territory of Jordan.
It is even more despicable to attach the adjective "occupied" to Jerusalem. No other international body has desecrated the eternal capital of the Jewish people more than the General Assembly and the agencies of the United Nations, with their resolutions. Yosef Tekoah, the Israeli ambassador to the UN, at the time when the city was reunited, after nineteen years of suffering under Jordanian rule, used all of his eloquence in explaining to the world community that Jerusalem and the Jewish people are inseparable. This is what he said on April 27, 1968 in a statement to the Security Council:
"Jerusalem is too precious to all of us to wrong it. Jerusalem is too central and too significant a part of the entire Jewish saga...for the Amman Government to play with it as if it were just another weapon in the campaign of hate in the hostility against Israel on which Jordan subsists. Those with an understanding of history, those with a feeling of justice and a respect for equity, will know that the Jordanian complaint is but a malicious attempt to create new tension and misunderstanding. If Jordan’s belligerency, negativism and intransigence continue unchecked, there can be little prospect for peace in the area.
Jordan seeks again encouragement to persist in its war against Israel. If Jordan finds such encouragement, it will of course, draw the appropriate conclusions and the Middle East will have to brace itself for more hostility and conflict. As on numerous occasions in the past, the present situation calls for clear, unequivocal summons to disavow belligerency, to terminate warfare, to move onward to peace--the only hope for the nations of the Middle East."
One has only to replace "Amman Government" and "Jordan" with "PLO" and "Palestinian Authority" respectively and Israeli Ambassador to the UN Dore Gold has a ready rebuke to the latest UN resolution.
Not a single country, of the 139 countries that voted for the resolution, existed at the time when Jerusalem became the capital of the Ancient Jewish State. After it was barbarously destroyed, for two thousand years, every day, three times a day, Jews all over the world have prayed,
"From Thine abode, our King, appear and rule over us, for we await thee.
When wilt Thou again reign in Zion. Soon in our day Thou shalt dwell there forever.
Thou shalt be magnified and sanctified in Jerusalem, Thy City, for all generations, forever and ever. And our eyes shall behold thy kingdom, as said in songs of thy glory sung by David, Thy truly anointed one."
The struggle of the Jewish people for survival is as ancient as the world itself. The latest UN resolution is only one new manifestation of anti-Semitism. Dennis Prager and Joseph Telushkin wrote in their book, Why the Jews?,
"Jew-hatred and its latest incarnation, Israel-hatred, are the price Jews pay for their role in history. They pay it often unwillingly and they live the role, for the most part unwittingly. But as the great French Catholic theologian Jacques Maritain noted: 'Israel...is to be found at the very heart of the worlds structure, stimulating it, exasperating it, moving it. Like an alien body, like an activating ferment injected into the mass, it gives the world no peace, it bars slumber, it teaches the world to be discontented and restless as long as the world has not God, it stimulates the movement of history...It is the vocation of Israel which the world hates. '"
To escape the anti-Semitism of non-Jewish societies the Jews abandoned them. They returned to Eretz Israel and reestablished the Jewish state. They were not nave and understood very well that the anti-Semitism would not disappear all at once. Anti-Semitism must be fought. It is a long and difficult struggle. As Prager and Telushkin wrote, The only solution to anti-Semitism is for the Jews to affect the values of non-Jews. All other attempts to end anti-Semitism are doomed to failure. They only buy time until the next eruption."
The UN does not hold anti-Semitism in contempt. On the contrary, it is notorious for its anti-Semitic position. It has passed hundreds of anti-Israeli resolutions. When, in 1975, it passed a criminal resolution equating Zionism with racism, the UN delegate from Costa-Rica noted that the resolution "was an invitation to genocide against the Jewish people."
It is a shame that so many countries are following in the wake of the UN’s anti-Semitic policy.
It is time to repeat for them what Zeev Zhabotinsky wrote in 1911. "...Nobody is old enough to call on us to answer. We came before them and will leave after them. We are what we are, we are good for ourselves, we will not change and we do not want to."

Bibliography: - Prof. Boris Shusteff 11/16/97

 

Meet some Muslims ??? Unfortunatly I live among them !!
I prefer , like most of Europe, they'll return to their 52 countries.

 

There are People that are Jews but there is no such thing as the "Jewish People" from an Inalienable Rights perspective. Inalienable Rights relate exclusively to the Person.

We have an example where many "Jews" prefer to refer to the Holocaust as purely a Jewish "catastrophe" because approximately 6 million people that were Jewish were murder by the Nazis but they miss the point completely. The Nazis actually murdered about 11 million innocent people during WW II and the murder of each and every one of them was the ulitmate violation of their Inalienable Right of Life. It doesn't matter if they were Jewish, Romani, or Soviet citizens or prisoners the violation of the Inalienable Rights of the Person were identical.

Whether the person was Jewish or not is irrelevant as every innocent person murdered by the Nazis suffered the same fate. The atrocity was the murder of innocent individuals and even one murder was one murder too many.

 

Live among them like Hitler amongst the Jews of Vienna? How many do you know well enough to talk about anything, or learn anything?

 

Apparently your ABOVE try is not sufficient to make a case for yourself... Here is a VIDEO that explains the whole situation step by step.

DEBUNKING THE PALESTINIAN LIE VIDEO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7ByJb7QQ9U&feature=player_embedded

Anmother few videos to clarify the situation

10 Unknown West Bank Facts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp4f3wXwyZg

The great Palestinian Lie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1N1zhUm84w

Useful idiots for Palestine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeGYAfh9A1k

The idiocy of Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSeZcCnNoiA

 

What's the matter HBender?
<<< MODERATOR EDIT: INAPPROPRIATE NAME >>>

The truth alway persecute those degenerates that are stupid enough to think all people are stupid as the agenda they force against decent people and nations

Highlander

 

What is irrelevant is the false notion that you have proscribed for yourself... Here are 10 definitions that defy your claim.

1. Humans considered as a group or in indefinite numbers: People were dancing in the street. I met all sorts of people.
2. A body of persons living in the same country under one national government; a nationality/homogeneous and sharing the same religion..
3. pl. peo·ples A body of persons sharing a common religion, culture, language, or inherited condition of life.
4. Persons with regard to their residence, class, profession, or group: city people.
5. The mass of ordinary persons; the populace. Used with the: "those who fear and distrust the people, and wish to draw all powers from them into the hands of the higher classes" (Thomas Jefferson).
6. The citizens of a political unit, such as a nation or state; the electorate. Used with the.
7. Persons subordinate to or loyal to a ruler, superior, or employer: The queen showed great compassion for her people.
8. Family, relatives, or ancestors.
9. Informal Animals or other beings distinct from humans: Rabbits and squirrels are the furry little people of the woods.
10. As a term meaning "a body of persons sharing a culture

 

Jews didn't want to rule Europe and force Shariah on us. Muslims do !
Nazis killed six million enlightened, educated and exemplary jewish citizens and in return it received 60 Millions Muslims, mostly
fanatic, uneducated and their ultimate aim is to take over Europe and make it a Muslim entity.
This thread is about "Palestinians - Their hatred is the cause of their misery", so cut to the point.

 

Blah. You are just eaten up with ignorant hate, aren't you? Meet some people and try to grow up. Your Nazi chums are murdering people in vast numbers, in a place that they have no historical connection with, Palestine. Naturally the there people object to your paying Nazis to murder their children. Wouldn't you?

 

That answer clearly indicates and approves that, Palestinians - Their hatred is the cause of their misery. Blah.

 

Aye right enough!
1.mmmm. Prison
2.like a troop of monkeys. Sorry they haven't the concept of nationhood ie Talmud nazi zionists.
3.ditto
4.ie troop of monkeys. Ditto
5. Degenerates aren't normal. An an aberration of humanity
6. Like criminals. But worse
7. Dogma. Why would you need a superior implementing laws for the good of society with the will of the people isn't superior
8. Like those your lot is murdering on there own family lands held for generations long before those thieves stole the neighbours lands.
9.goy
10. Like phsycopaths ..... But doesn't make it a culture

 

Palestinians are in serious problems.
Their brothers "The Muslim Brotherhood" were kicked out like Kalbs from Egypt's presidency.
Hammas is hated by the Egyptians.
Their wall of lies is falling apart !!
Palestinians - Their hatred is the cause of their misery.
Jordan is the ONLY solution for them ( and may i say, a very good one ).

 

My God.. have you forgotten that you were refugees?

 

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The problem isn't palestinians, more the deeds of the idf. The goy to use your lots words.
When hitler denigrated the Jews to we're stars etc, what makes it right to commit genocide against women and children by your Talmud reprobates? To use depleted uranium against the civilian population, to use nuclear warheads against the Syrians?
To imprison the people of Lebanon for thirty years without trial.
Your lot are scum bags, the lowest form of life, an aberration of humanity that should die out not supported by the American tax payer and the American veto in the un.
Do you get paid for this nonsense or are you just ignorant of the facts.

Highlander

 

Who is "you were" ?