Mueller may be winding down his investigation

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  1. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

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    I suspect Manafort's trial will reach an end before then, and probably early 2019. He's cooked. That leaves Papadoulous, Page's uncertain future and the Facebook case that they're going to inevitably drop. Of course, pending anything new happening that seems to be the reality as far as what's on the docket.
     
  2. Labouroflove

    Labouroflove Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Investigation, in the legal sense, is a broad term. For the FBI 'investigation' is broken down into stages or steps where each step along the continuum has limits and each is predicated on definable conditions being met. Assessment, preliminary investigation, full investigation.

    https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/just-what-fbi-investigation-fact-sheet

    I feel the point here is that many argue than an "articulable factual basis” necessary for a "full investigation" hasn't been met. I agree as it relates to the "dragnet" scope, everyone seems to be subject to full investigations without articulable basis of even tenuous connection to a crime. What I'm seeing is akin to kicking in all the doors in x town because there is evidence that the suspect lived in x town.
     
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    We know this sentiment is utter B.S without even having to do more than peripheral research on this whole debacle lol.
    I mean "having so many connections" ? Even you know that's nebulous accusations serving as propaganda by the way you worded it.Lmao Google Claire mccaskill and give me your opinion on why that isn't suspicious. These "connections" are absolutely run on the mill things that occurs in campaigns and American politics.

    This is why out of all of muellers indictments none involve espionage, treason , or anything like that. That just didn't happen. That's why eussians are either adversary or enemy based on who is interacting with them. Mccaskil lying about a meeting with a Russian ? Fine. Obama explains to Putin himself he will have more "flexibility"? Fine. Trump campaign members having legal interaction with Russians but getting caught up on process crimes because of the investigations? That's suspicious.

    Yea whatever. Foreign lobbying is basically an intrinsic part of presidential campaigns. Corrupt elements of the last admin shining a light on it and calling it suspicious to trick the uninformed and biased doesn't change that.
     
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  4. Labouroflove

    Labouroflove Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh come on. The Hillary campaign and Hillary herself had plenty of personal russian connections. Bernie Sanders honeymooned in the Soviet Union in 1988!

    Knowing Russians or visiting Russia is not evidence of a crime and not enough to open a "preliminary investigation."
     
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  5. Egoboy

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    Papas going to get the minimum... his lies turned out to be pretty minor and I don't think he can feed anybody bigger to Mueller..

    Don't remotely forget about Cohen though... he's currently sweating SDNY, but I still think it's possible a case might be made against him from Mueller as well for Prague..
     
  6. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

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    Haven't forgotten about Cohen, but don't know too much about that case or how it's progressing.
     
  7. PrincipleInvestment

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    Doesn't Mueller's handing off, of the only "Russian interference" case he's brought, strike you as curious? Concord coincidentally, just filed a motion demanding that Mueller submit Rosensteins letter of authorization for review. That's the same doc Mueller has yet to surrender to judge Ellis. Why are Rod, and Bob are so reluctant to disclose just exactly what Bob's authorized to do, even to the federal courts judges? Mueller's appointment isn't a secret. Everyone knows who Mueller's investigators are. What "classified" intel could be embedded in Bobs permission slip from Rod Rosenstein? Congress hasn't seen that authorization either.
     
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    Like spending $millions to hire a foreign agent to contact KGB-linked Russians for "Dirt" on Trump? Those kinds of "connections"?

    Like making a "special allowance" to allow a Kremlin-linked lawyer who had been denied entry into the country in, then having her SETUP a meeting in Trump Tower, while consorting with Fusion GPS founder Simpson (of the KGB-linked Russian "dirt" ) BEFORE and AFTER the meeting? Like that?

    Or like having CIA-linked Russian operative planting a LIE to one of Trump's peripheral people in London, and then harvesting that SAME LIE as a pretext to start an "investigation" on Russian influence? Those kinds of "connections"?

    Or was allowing the Russians control of 20% of our uranium reserves the "connection" you were referring to?

    Your blind HYPOCRISY in regards to "Russian connections" is ASTOUNDING.
     
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  9. BringDownMugabe

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    Why are you quoting the word "collusion" as if it was the grounds upon Mueller's investigation? Mueller's investigation was to determine if there were any links or coordination between the Russian government and individuals from Trump's campaign. Trump Jr.’s twitter account alone validated that claim lol. Not to mention the twenty plus felony indictments or wherever the total stands now.

    And for what it’s worth, other huge investigations like Benghazi and Whitewater took much longer so it’s not like there’s some precedent that investigations only take a year to complete.
     
  10. Nemesis

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    Man, I'm so convinced and stuff. "Arguments" like "we all know this/that/the other thing" are very compelling and convincing.
     
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    When will he investigate the links between the Russians and the CLINTON CAMPAIGN...which are the only links DIRECTLY REALTED to the election that we know about?
     
  12. Nemesis

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    I don't know, man. The Russians obviously just loved Hillary and wanted her to win so badly! We "all know this", right?
     
  13. PrincipleInvestment

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    Mueller let Podesta "amend" his FARA disclosures, even though he indicted Manafort who had also revised his disclosures. Podesta's firm was hired by Manafort's firm to work on the same foreign lobbying campaign. Judge Ellis exposed Mueller for the charlatan he is.
     
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    Hmm says the guy that was touting he wouldn't make it a year, the economy would crash, war with N Korea blah blah blah.
     
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    Rotten Scum James Comey Personally KILLED Immunity Deal with Julian Assange — To Prevent Revealing of the Real Source of Leaked Emails
     
  16. Grokmaster

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    They didn't need her so badly anymore, as she already abetted their taking control of 20% of our uranium reserves.

    They now know that Trump is no ankle-grabber like Obama, as he has BOMBED them and their allies in Syria, which Obama NEVER DID, depsite his asinine "red line in the sand" ;

    went ahead with the European Missile Defense shield, which Obama reneged on;

    opened the European energy market to American natural gas, etal, which has DESTABILIZED the Russian economy;

    agreed to sell weapons to the Ukraine, to defend themselves against Russia, which Obama refused to do;

    and NEVER secretly promised "more flexibility" to Putin, as Obama did;

    and NEVER gave a STAND DOWN ORDER when he learned of Russian cyber meddling in the 2016 election, as Obama did, apparently keeping his promise to Putin.



    Pretty clear who has "colluded with Russia"...except to the TDS-blinded left.
     
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  17. Nemesis

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    Trump is weak on Russia. Practically Peewee Herman weak:

    https://www.twincities.com/2018/02/...trump-is-weaker-than-clinton-would-have-been/

    On the other side of the ledger there is far more evidence that Trump has been anything but tough on Russia. Given that he routinely trashes everyone from Oprah Winfrey to Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., it’s striking that he never has a negative word to say about Russian President Vladimir Putin. When the Russian autocrat ordered the elimination of 755 U.S. diplomatic positions in Russia, Trump praised him. Trump even credulously accepted Putin’s denials of complicity in election interference. Now Trump kind of admits that Russia may have meddled, but he still plays down its importance and refuses to respond. As The Post reported in December, “Trump has never convened a Cabinet-level meeting on Russian interference or what to do about it. … One former high-ranking Trump administration official said there is an unspoken understanding within the [National Security Council] that to raise the matter is to acknowledge its validity, which the president would see as an affront.”

    Not only has Trump refused to respond to Russia’s attack, he tried to undermine Obama’s response. On Dec. 29, 2016, the outgoing president expelled 35 Russian diplomats and shut down two Russian diplomatic facilities. That same day, Trump’s newly designated national security adviser, Michael Flynn, called Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak to urge his government to refrain from retaliating. Sure enough, Putin did not immediately expel U.S. diplomats in return. Trump tweeted: “Great move on delay (by V. Putin) — I always knew he was very smart!” Flynn subsequently pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about
    this and other contacts with Kislyak.

    It strains credulity to imagine that Trump did not know what Flynn was up to — in effect, offering the Kremlin an implicit understanding that Trump would lift the sanctions Obama had just imposed. And Trump might well have done so if the Kremlingate controversy had not erupted, making it too politically dangerous for him. Even then, he resisted a Russia sanctions bill and only reluctantly signed it on Aug. 2 after it was passed by veto-proof majorities in both houses. To this day Trump refuses to impose the sanctions authorized under the bill.---it goes on--and on--and on. Trump is rolling over for Putin.
     
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    No, I'm more like Manafort, Page, Flynn, and a whole herd of Trumps... ya know, SUSPICIOUS Russia connections...
     
  20. AmericanNationalist

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    Not quite, since we now know it was Goldstone and Fusion GPS who set up the meeting with Natalia, who she herself is not a representative of the Russian Government(or affiliated thereof) but rather acting independently(from the evidence we gathered at the Senate testimony.) So yeah, still no 'links or coordination' or even an investigation to find thereof.

    It's a joke, and trying to prop it up is like smearing yourself with mud. Mueller himself recognizes that, and is slowly backing away.
     
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    Because tons of powerful people keep screaming about "collusion" between Trump and Putin. That is the only reason Mueller's probe exists. Only there is no proof that such collusion took place. None at all. Just a bunch of allegations and innuendo floated around by big liars like Hillary Clinton and James Clapper.

    As for Mueller's indictments, they mean absolutely nothing. An indictment is not even close to an actual conviction. Already one of Mueller's biggest indictments is beginning to unravel. Perhaps that explains why Mueller is getting ready to pass the ball.
     
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    Then Obama was even weaker.

    In any case, your alternative to this supposed "weakness" is what, exactly? Open-ended escalation until someone blinks? I'm sure tough guy foreign policy works beautifully in a bar, but between two nuclear powers it could mean the end of civilization.
     
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    So, it's either bending over or it's nuclear annihilation?

    That's the problem--Trumpers don't understand measured response and nuance.

    BTW, is Mueller "finished" yet? I hear that he's "winding down".
     
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    He's gotta be finished by now, right?
     
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    Yes.

    Rat-Faced Rosenstein appointed a special counsel when there was no basis in the regulations to do so. Now Mueller is transitioning his only actual Russia indictment to a district U.S. attorney’s office — i.e., to the supposedly conflicted Justice Department? If they can handle that, what do we need Mueller for?
     
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