Music festivals ban native american headresses.

What could it lead to?

I dont see why its such a big deal. Not all native americans are offended by it. Something like this shouldnt even be an issue. I agree with Unifier 100%.

 

Who is unifer lol, never heard of it. Anyway, cultural appropriation un checked inevitably leads to the white saviour industrial complex scenario whereby the masses are led to believe the the idol be a so called white messiah named hey Zeus of Greek thought

 

What's the white savior industrial complex?

 

Please excuse my rudeness but what do u think it means?

 

I dont even know what it means-and I am being honest. I looked up the definition of it, but I'm not getting any clear answer as to what it means. Can you please give me a simple definition as to what "white savior complex" means?

 

Basically it's that so called white ppl can do no wrong and its everyone elses fault for every problem in the world and the only solution is one proposed by so called whites

 

Why are you accusing me of believing white people did no wrong? I never said anything like that. Like all groups of people, whites have done wrong things.

 

I think it's a little overblown too...but I understand.

The OP doesn't have an issue with someone wearing a Christian cross because his soceity does not currently live with the destructive effects of religious persecutions.

The Native Americans...this was their land before we got here and their situation has not improved unless what you are saying is that they should just swallow their own pride and strive to work hard within the industrial or corporate structure of their conquerers to be just like them...which could be perceived as an insult.

Imagine if the Nazi's came in and destroyed America and for a long period of time discriminated and killed you, shoved your people off their land, and hunted you down till you are living in quasi-reservation like conditions. Imagine they celebrated this history of theft, murder, and deception with a Welcoming Day, where they eat turkey and watch football and, perhaps, wear a symbol of your eradicated culture for trimming. Now your backwards society can work to be proper people...while television makes profane mockeries of your people and the like. Not really funny when you live the life.

That said, I am beginning to find it funny how all of these things are coming out now. First the Atlanta Braves and now Indian headware after so long of no noted objections...? I wonder if every Indian person feels like this or even really gives a damn anymore, or its just a very small group of Indians making this fuss for whatever reason. It feels ultimately pointless at this point...

 

you think that their cultural appropriation is right. Istated that it inevitably leads to depicting the Israelite saviour yeshuah as a Saxon dressing up as a hebrew

 

I wonder if the poster you quoted would be so uncaring if the US flag was burned or used in some disrespectful way.

 

I really liked this post, inspiring and articulate, the end was disappointing lol

 

Why are you comparing the white people who are living today in the 21st century, with their ancestors? The white people of today are not oppressing natives-their ancestors did. So why is it offensive for them to wear something because of what their ancestors did? By your logic, it's totally okay for blacks and asians and Latinos to wear native american headdresses-but not whites. That is race double standards and make no sense.

 

It's a question you have to ask. It would be like Britain suddenly taking offense against Norway for the various invasions it executed against their ancestors hundreds of years ago. It would be understandable if they maintained this resentment over that period of time and had been vocal about it, but to suddenly pop up and only about superficial things like images on a jersey and a Indian headpiece rather than social reforms to their current living conditions is weird.

 

I dont get offended if nonbelievers wear a cross. So why should natives get offended if non natives wear their symbols?

 

Because those people are their ancestors. The descendants live off the spoils of those crimes. The victims live with the destruction of their victimization. Of course the past is of no concern to the people who live well and don't have the same kind of problems, but to those who do, the past is all too present in their minds. I can understand the offense and resentment that would resonate, especially when it was the policy of the country to suppress these people. That means that growth in the country was generally forbidden. Even when native Americans tried to adapt to our way of life, they were uprooted and cast aside. That is an enduring lesson. It's not that they weren't even willing to simply swallow their pride and adopt our ways, we didn't permit them a share of humanity at all, except in the recesses of our own civilization. Yeah, I can understand their sour demeanor...

I do believe it is a bit awkward to be bringing it up now, after so long, and do not agree with it. I never said anything about Blacks and Asians wearing these things so I'm not sure what you are talking about there...

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What problems related to the past do native americans face today? The people I know who are Native American live everyday lives just like anybody else.

 

Ithink you stated yourself, maybe I'm wrong here, that it is a more recent history though. The Saxon invasions were 1000 years ago, this is a mere 200 year and progressively erosive if they continue to denigrate Mexican nationalism for want of a better word

 

You will NEVER get it....


how YOU feel is totally totally totally irrelevant to how anyone else should feel....

 

They don't have their own homeland for one, lol.

I'm not sure how many Indians you know, but there can't be many. Only about 4 - 5 million in the country and half of those are mixed people claiming Indian heritage. Even so, Native Americans living conditions are generally less than the average American's- except in Alaska, I think. Most Alaskan's have a certain measure of autonomy that we in the contiguous states don't...

Yeah, I understand what you mean. I'm sure seeing a jester in the street in Black face would not go over too well with Black people, though other people would wonder "What's the big deal? They're just kids having fun." We usually have more discretion over the things we allow our kids to "play" with- cultural sensitivites should be one of them.

But maybe the reason they consider the Native dress okay is because we haven't heard any resentment from it before. However this could be because they are very few in number and their pleas were ignored. That's certainly the case with their petitions to reform Thanksgiving or to get the holiday of that ridiculous criminal Columbus from the federal register... Yeah...I suppose soceity pays a price when it's built on the bones of other peoples...

However, I hope the government doesn't go overboard with it, and that might be the case. I can see this headed in a bad direction.

 

Would you consider it offensive if a black person wore a native american headdress? Blacks didnt oppressive natives historically-whites did. By that logic, it's okay for all races and ethnicities (except for white people) to wear native american clothing.

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Why are you comparing blackface, to wearing a native american headdress? There are many differences. Such a comparison is flawed.

http://aoxoa.co/native-american-headdress-music-festival/

 

Indeed. I've not seen many documentaries of native nort Americans but the ones I have seen always bear a resentment to westernisation but maybe it's anecdotal on my part. It's there I'm sure but like you stated its marginalised and not like the uniformity or militarisation of so called black liberation

 

What people feel doesnt give them the right to tell other people what they cant wear at a concert. I dont like people wearing clothing with anti christian slogans. But if they want to wear it at a music festival or concert, I wont start some pettition to ban it.

 

True.

Well, for one, I don't see the mere act of wearing it offensive. It would depend on how it is worn- that is the Native American headress. There is room to wiggle, and though a person can easily lie and say they meant to "honor" Native American's by wearing it, I do not think it should be summarily disbanded or prohibited by law. It would be nice if people saw reason to intervene when they saw children characterizing Indians as 'crazy savages', like in some western, but that is to be hoped.

Well...they actually militarized first, but it was hopeless. Black people tried to militarize, but their militarization was actually CIA-insitgated as part of Mr. Hoover's plan to ultimately villify any bid for Black rights or social improvements as "communist" in nature. That too, was utterly doomed, as they were lead by and infiltrated by the CIA almost at the root. Sad...

 

All of the hubbub seems to be designed to eliminate American Indians from American history. The way things are going they will be mythical people in a few centuries if the current trend to purge them from American culture continues.

 

What about people (mainly women and music festival people) who wear it purely for aesthetic reasons? They arent doing it to make fun of native americans like blackface people do, nor are doing it because they are interested in native culture and want to honor it by wearing their clothing. They just like to pose for photos or do music videos wearing a headdress. (like Lana Del Rey or Gwen Stefani). Do you think that's wrong or not?

If I was at a music festival or concert, and native american-esque headwear was part of the regalia, I would wear it, and I would find nothing offensive about it. It's not like I'm pretending to be a native american. It would be no different from me wearing a mexican Sombrero hat.