My changing views of religion

OMG - is that really the level of your interlect + best you can do ?

 

I forgot , you English trolls (3 on here now) think that Monty Python is funny.. with your 'stuffy but crude' sense of humor..you havnt trolled my posts recently....slipping, ol boy?

 

Jesus was apparently a good guy but I wouldnt go as far as thinking he was 100% human and another 100 % = ridiculous 200 %.

So-call "Humans " are also animals and often behave/conduct themselves as the worse of animals . As for having "souls" I'm not entirely sure and understand what different people mean when they talk abt " souls ".
If you believe you've got a "soul " then where was it before yr birth /present existence ?

Go tell a cat it hasnt got a soul and watch its reaction . LOL.

Felicity - the reason I mention cats - its coz while dogs look upto to us - cats look down on us - with a look of knowing how stupid we are and their own superiority .



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There are no atheists in foxholes.

 

Please review "Hypostatic Union" --100% + 100% only equals 100% in that.

You're certainly entitled to not believe in a soul. I do believe it. I also believe that a soul is part of the human's nature. It is not part of animals' nature. My sould did not exist before I cane into existence at my conception. Jesus' soul didn't either--but Jesus, the 2nd person of the Triune Godhead did exist "in the beginning".

My cat would kick my ass. He's a killa, but that makes no difference to the fact he's a soulless creature.

 

Congratulations + thx for proving my point . You're incapable of carrying on a discussion without resorting to personal attacks.

tatty byeeee.

 

Thy history of stalking and trolling doeth proceedeth thee, but....

tut, tut....pip, pip... and on your way out, dont forget to take your mutton, kidney pie, black/blood pudding, & water cress sandwiches with you as you depart.

 

Yaawwnnnn -

Once again you;'ve proved that you're incapable of conducting any sort of rational /informative discussion + stuck in the 1920-30s concept + know sweet f/all abtout 21st century English.

tatty-byeeee.

 

Have you chaps over in Jolly Ol discovered tooth brushes, yet?

 

Regarding the OP's reconsideration of "religion," while not a conversion it does bear a common thread among most people...

“There is a God shaped vacuum in the heart of every man which cannot be filled by any created thing, but only by God, the Creator, made known through Jesus” ~ Blaise Pascal

You can chase girls, booze, drugs and shop till you drop..and get that temporary fix by feeling good and escaping for a short while..but Pascal said it best.

God fills the vacuum in the heart & Pascal was no intellectual slouch. The very computers we use to communicate on here were conceptually thought about with Pascal's "Pascaline" which he invented as an aid for his father who was a tax collector.

 

Congratulations again - for proving your limitations + incapacity to concentrate on the subject of this thread. Bravo .


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Thx for all the kudos that you have heaped upon me!!

I could go on..but it would just be feeding you..and you, w/o a tooth brush and all...

BTW, like the 'Cross' on your flag.....most English atheists are too ashamed of their flag to fly it on the forum.....

 

Huh ? In that case - Glory be to the tax collector" right ?

As god had no input in the invention of computors /google /microsoft etc,etc.


btw - I recent haad a blood pressure /cardiograph check + no "vacumm in my heart - was detected.

But then , perhaps the Grim Reaper knows better .



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There are plenty of athiests in the armed forces and that is not an arguement for against god.

 

Gifted explained it a couple of pages ago.

 

Cross of St.George mythical patron saint of england - our flag . its got Fokall to due with tooth brushes but who said I was an "atheist" ?

FYI Nationism's got sweet f/all to do with religion/believe in whatever your concept of a god or toothbrushes might be.

Meanwhile , how abt getting back ON TOPIC ?


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I am posting fom my phone, so this will be a bit short.

I think the vacuum type state can arise from outright denying the concept of a deity instead of at least being open to the idea (whether this openess is evidense based or not). You can still not believe, for reasons other than merely rebelling against an idea, and still live a happy and fullfilled life.

The issue is not so much what you believe but why.

 

Not everyone in the armed forces is in foxholes...or ever sees combat.
Probably less than 10%; therefore not an argument for atheism.

Easy to talk a big game when there's no bullets whistling overhead.

Besides, it's called an allegory...meaning when confronted with mortality, most folks begin to ponder the concept of God.

It's easy to sit in a chair facing no imminent danger at the time..and declare~

"I'm not afraid of dying, nothing happens"

Wouldn't be so sure about that.

 

Atheists exist in foxholes plain and simple. I am not making an argument in favor of atheism (is there even one to be made here???), simply dismissing a bumper sticker slogan as an argument.

Again, I am not sure if this argument has little or no value. The slogan may sound catchy, however it has little bearing on reality or the existence of a deity. What you describe is a mode of thought that may cause people to consider the notion of god in a high stress situation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_are_no_atheists_in_foxholes

It does not however, make any notable argument in favor of the actual existence of a god. Under high stress situation people do things they do not normally do, just because those thoughts pop up or those actions taken does not make them good, true, or socially correct. Soldiers have intentionally killed civilians, does that some how make it right and proper because of stress? No.

http://www.militaryatheists.org/
http://ffrf.org/outreach/atheists-in-foxholes/
http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Secular-Philosophies/Atheists-In-Foxholes.aspx

Blanket statements are often riddled with non-truths and exceptions.

 

There are indeed atheists in fox holes ... the entire North Korean Army is officially atheist after all ... (somehow I doubt very much that this is what atheists intended?)

The issue is not that they are there, its that these same atheists in bravely fighting beside us rapacious religious folk ... also want to tell us that we are the cause if the very war those atheists are fighting with us ...

http://www.atheists.org/religion

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And that is a problem, the same people wanting to be treated as war heros cannot turn around and condemn other people as criminals for being Soldiers in history - just like they are.

Indeed, where is the atheist analysis of SSG Bales recent exploits in Afghanistan? How does this incident fit into the warrior but not warrior mentality of atheism?

 

Well since you see yourself as supernatural, I guess we're done.

 

NoNoNoNoNooooo...*funny*. You said Jesus was "unnatural." Nice attempt at a squirm, but I have a long memory.

 

It's precisely the sort of intellectually dense people like you that I've learned the "Religion" section of this forum is a complete waste of time...
About 4 or 5 of the same idiots hang out waiting to pounce with "Wiki" citatations..

"See...see ..see here..."


It's an allegory....apparently you have difficulty with abstract thought.

As I was saying..."military atheists" doesn't mean much. Plenty of career military haven't
fired a rifle since basic training.

For every soldier in the field carrying a rifle in combat, there are 12 people supporting them in some capacity.

Our more recent conflicts, of course, place even the combat support personnel in a combat environment...but typically your average person in the military who does 3 -5 years in uniform...has never seen combat.

I'm really not impressed if someone announces...
"I'm atheist and I was in the military, which means there are no atheists in foxholes is wrong."

It's an allegory, it was never meant to be taken literally.

As I say, atheist's were never known for their abstract thought processing skills, you're only proving the point. You're all literalists...

Yes, there are a few atheists in foxholes...however since the atheist condemns all the religious in the same generalizations...
all Christians with the same generalizations...

It's evidence of the hypocricy of the atheist's argument against the religious. You decry a simple aphorism like "there are no atheist's in foxholes" with organizations, statues, and statments..."see I'm atheist and I'm in a foxhole" when the statement is not literalist intended.

Yet the atheistic argument that all religion is responsible for mankind's woes, is a blanket statement and out and out fallacy.


What's good for the goose, is not good for the gander...apparently.

 

You forgot to add the word "smug" to your description of the 'same idiots."

 

Here's just one example of the "military atheists" organization.

I quote.

Army Band Officer...

Yeah I'm sure he has extensive combat experience leading the brass section on nightly patrols outside the wire.

Look I'm not diminishing anyone's service...and I have no doubt there are plenty of ardent atheist's who have plenty of combat experience...

No one is saying otherwise...

"No atheist's in foxholes" is an aphorism that often times stressful situations impart a need for spirituality. There are and will be exceptions to that...just as there are exceptions to the atheist's contention that the religious abhor science and reason...or that religion has been responsible for more human suffering than anything else.

All fallacious arguments that deal with generalities.