Negotiate Peace With Russia to Prevent War Over Ukraine

Right.

 

LOL - you weren't keeping that a secret.

I'm just saying that this whole direction is just pure insanity.

Plus, your idea that using small nukes is somehow not going to cause large nukes to be used is logic that YOU YOURSELF totally reject.

 

Trump did a lot to mess that up, but NATO is still there and going strong despite Russia's best efforts.

 

And Russia would have absolutely no hope of taking US territory conventionally, of course. I think our police alone could repel Russia's conscript army.

 

I trust you’re right.

 

This really POed Putin.

He thought he had a deal that NATO wouldn't extend east like that. But, then Pres. Clinton made that move.

It's no surprise that Putin was so ready to work to stop our democracy from choosing another Clinton.

 

How about a bit of history:

"...From standpoint of the overwhelming majority of Crimea’s residents, a historical injustice was redressed in March 2014: Ukraine was stripped of what it had obtained illegally between 1991 and 1995 using deception and military force..."

www.strategic-culture.org/news/2017/03/28/so-who-annexed-crimea-peninsular-then/​

The war and destruction is still going on in Syria, and the US is still there illegally as it props up ISIS as an excuse to steal Syria's oil and to keep them from rebuilding. Not to mention burning their wheat fields, killing their sheep and sanctioning medicine so their children will die as they did in Iraq.

As for Assad being a tyrant, well that's for the Syrian people to decide, not those who are trying to kill them:

"...The International Coalition having abandoned all hope of destroying the Syrian Arab Republic by force, the United States and the European Union are now seeking to achieve the same result by making people hungry.

The siege of Syria has begun. Economic sanctions have been severely tightened and will be further squeezed in mid-June. Any person or entity that trades with Syria will be harshly penalized by the United States and the European Union (Caesar Law).

Such “sanctions” are illegal under international law. Those preventing the supply of medical equipment are guilty of crimes under the Geneva Conventions.

Jihadists in the north and US troops in the south have started setting fire to fields in a coordinated fashion. Syria has filed a complaint with the United Nations Security Council..."

https://www.voltairenet.org/article210200.html

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The alleged opinion of "the overwhelming majority of Crimea's residents" is not history. It's opinion.

Syria has a war going on because people don't want to be ruled by a murderous dictator. That's how it started and that's why it continues.

 

Then breaking promises and not keeping one's word has now become a virtue? WOW!

When Satan Reigns
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Whatever's false they'll say it's true
and throw the lies back onto you.

And what is right they'll say it's wrong.
Then woe to all, it won't be long.

When everyone will wear a frown.
For what is up, they'll call it 'down.

Then try to make the day a night
so dark can reign, without the light.

- Jeannette



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You come up with the craziest ideas. And, I really have NO CLUE where you get them!

 

Yeah right!

"According to the 2001 Ukrainian (Crimean) population census 71.6% are ethnic Russians and 22.4% are ethnic Ukrainians."​

Yeah, right again! The Syrians have been fighting and dying because they don't want a bunch of neo con hawks telling them what government they should have, and what government they shouldn't have. Is that so beyond you?

Or then again, maybe you think Americans are so stupid that if you repeat a lie often enough, they'll believe you no matter how ridiculous it is?



They say I can't fool everyone,

although it has been on my mind.​

And yet I know whenever I do,

it always returns in kind. - Jeannette​

 

That's far too simple of a view.

Besides the revolutionary war aspect, Syrians are also fighting the various terrorist groups and their various intents.

And, they're getting help from various outside groups (including us) with the various objectives of those groups.

You mentioned oil earlier. I don't see ANY indication that ANY Syrian oil is coming to the USA.

It IS going to Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Austria, Spain, Turkey. Just not the US.

Plus, I think the EU may be trying to further clamp down on that, as Shell has had to pull out due to EU sanctions.

Syria has almost no economy, so embargoing their oil could significantly add to the desperation and chaos there.

 

I thought the 'brilliant' plan was to recapture al the territory lost by the Russian Empire? How exactly is Russia supposed to do that when whatever Russians there are still alive after a nuclear war will all be busy chopping firewood and trapping rabbits! (Hint no oil and gas industry for Destroyer... that goes along with all other State infrastructure.)

And as for survivors? Everyone, everywhere will have it equally hard, including all those desperate Chinese in their hundreds of millions just south of Russia's long, near empty Siberian border. Good luck with that.

Finally of course it doesn't matter what the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs 'says'. What matters is what the statistics say. And they show more people leaving Russia annually than entering it. Not by a huge margin mind you, not at all. Just a consistent one, year after year, after year of departures. And no babies to replace them.

Russia, 'will the last person to leave please remember to turn off the lights'.

 

According to what was told us by those involved at the time such as Dr. Craig Roberts and which have now been confirmed in the declassified documents, not only did our government promise Gorbachev that Nato wouldn't step one foot into Eastern Europe, but other members of Nato promised as well.

Yet here you are praising Bill Clinton for blatantly breaking our promise to Russia and advancing into Eastern Europe - and by doing so he disgraced Pres. Reagan, Vice President Bush and Secretary of State Baker.

Not that it matters anymore, considering all the illegal actions and war crimes we have committed since then - starting of course with Clinton and his illegal bombing of Belgrade for 7 days on false premises.

HOW DO YOU DO!​

My name is Sam as you well know
and what I do and what I show
is not exactly what I am.

Yet there are some with eyes to see
of what will come and surely be
from all of my chicanery.

Pity us! - Jeannette

 

The terrorists were cleared out of Syria except for the oil and gas rich parts that were being held by our forces. Without ISIS the US would not have an excuse for being in Syria, which would account as to why ISIS is still there.

I believe the Arab league has now accepted Assad back into it, and it seems most of the problems other than the American held territories East of the Euphrates are on the Jordanian border - again where the Americans are stationed. I say this because there seems to be clashes lately with the locals and the American troops.

I believe the money from the stolen oil is to support our troops in Syria as well as the Kurds.

 

Putler the Neo Con Hawk has told them what government they will have.

 

The idea of having NATO not extended to those people was part of a deal that was NOT intended to be paving the way for Russia to recapture it's Soviet Satellites.

There are very good reasons for what happened there.

 

That brilliant plan was conceived in the paranoid minds of the Washington neo cons.

 

Cite please.

I see NO oil going to the USA.

In fact, let's remember that the price of oil is set by the world market. Buying Syrian crude isn't an advantage for us.

 

No actually it was something 'Destroyer of Illusions' stated a few posts back that Russia could/should/would be able to do. No Washington neo cons involved at all.

 

“Those Who Do Not Learn History Are Doomed To Repeat It.” George Santayana

You are right, Ukraine is not worth to fight for.

The Treaty of Alliance and Friendship between France and Czechoslovakia was signed on January 25, 1924, in Paris.
In September 1938, Adolf Hitler demanded control of the Sudetenland. On 29 September 1938, Britain and France ceded control in the Appeasement at the Munich Conference; France ignored the military alliance it had with Czechoslovakia. During October 1938, Nazi Germany occupied the Sudetenland border region, effectively crippling Czechoslovak defenses.
France decided it was not worth to fight for Czechoslovakia.

The Munich Agreement concluded on 30 September 1938, by Germany, the United Kingdom, the French Third Republic, and the Kingdom of Italy. It provided "cession to Germany of the Sudeten Land territory" of Czechoslovakia.
On 30 September 1938, upon his return to Britain, Chamberlain delivered his "peace for our time" speech to crowds in London.
Churchill described this agreement: “The government had to choose between war and shame. They chose shame. They will get war too.”

The WWII started on Sept 1, 1939.

And something to remember:
Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances:
The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances signed on 5 December 1994 provides security assurances by its signatories relating to the accession of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. The memorandum was signed by three nuclear powers: the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom, and the United States.

 

There is a real difference between Bolton and insisting on the stability of borders.

Bolton was actively searching for excuses to conquer countries with our military.

Contrary to that, the stability that comes through the combined insistence of NATO and UN members on maintaining borders can't just be laughed off as a ridiculous objective.

 

There has been an increase in the birthrates in Russia, but not enough to solve their population problem considering its size. Russia's problem has to do with the low birth rates during the Yeltsin years when Russia was being robbed of its wealth and the money was being sent to outside sources. The people were suffering then and weren't having children.

As for leaving Russia, well they seem to have a large military and quite a few scientists and technicians that refuse to leave no matter what money is offered them, so I don't think it's a problem. Also Russia isn't a welfare state so they won't take anyone into the country unless they have a position for them.

For its size though Russia is not well populated, but if they were to marry Chinese - at least in their Far East, that problem would end and they would produce a new generation of brilliant and beautiful children.

 

He says those things to annoy the anti Russia posters. I wouldn't pay attention to it.

 

North Central Ukraine is not Russia-friendly. If Russia invades there, they will have quite a guerilla war on their hands.