NFL WILL FINE TEAMS WHOSE PLAYERS KNEEL DURING NATIONAL ANTHEM

Do you think if Kap knelt outside a police station or at a rally that it would have garnered the level of attention it did doing it the way he did? His kneeling didn't bother me and I too think the whole kneeling this was silly but I get why he chose to do it at games. He got the biggest bang for his buck as far as attention goes.
You hit upon the number of people at games who don't pay much attention to the anthem. It's the same at every ballpark. I bet half the people don't even know the actual words to the anthem.
The other thing is these people who were so outraged at his kneeling during the anthem...these are the same people who I guarantee you when they are at home they are sitting on their ass during the anthem. It's at the point where many people just go through the motions when it comes to the anthem.

 

Glad you agree with me, that is, Please move on---

 

If drawing attention to himself was his goal, then I would agree that during the anthem gave him the biggest bang for the buck. I can even agree that he got the most bang for the buck for spouting the BLM/ racism message that he is pushing. I would however, argue that him doing so hurts rather than helps his overall cause. There probably isnt a person in this country, especially at that time, that was not aware of the BLM movement. Its not like he highlighted an issue of which people werent already well aware. With that being the case, it would seem to me that what he really should have been seeking is to convert non believers to his way of thinking as opposed to growing awareness to an issue that was already at virtual maximum awareness. It seems wholly illogical to me to attempt to sway others to your way of thinking by disrespecting what a large swath of Americans revere. Doing so, if anything, is going to make the unconverted less likely to support your cause. In fact, I find it hard to fathom how disrespecting our flag is going to convert ANYONE in terms of supporting his issue. It plays well to the already converted, but turns off those that arent. With that being the case, I dont think he accomplished anything, other than promoting himself.

MLK was brilliant with his strategy of non violent direct action. That tactic converted millions of people to his way of thinking by highlighting the injustice that was taking place. If MLK had instead took the tactic of protesting the flag, he would have accomplished literally nothing, other than furthering the derisive atmosphere in this country. Kaepernick has accomplished nothing other than furthering the divide that exists in this country.

 

I am not so sure that we are in agreement, but regardless.... Please move on.

 

LOL, it is a game. Trump is famous or infamous for making mountains out of mole hills. Trump wouldn't have half the problems he has if he'd learn to keep his big mouth, i.e.twitter shut or quiet and let most of this inane stuff just roll off his back. He needs to be more like Reagan who never took political attacks personal. Trump takes everything personal and creates needless feuds where there ought not be any.

Perhaps we as a nation have lost our sense of humor. At least in politics. Even humor in politics where once funny has become very vile. We've changed and a lot of that change isn't for the better.

 

You can use member names on the forum. What you can’t do is start a “callout” thread.

 

You're right about many just going through the motions or not at all. Personally, I thought kneeling was idiotic.But it don't bother me and as I said, later on it how many would kneel was what we wagered on.

I don't think he should have done that at a football game if not related to football or the players union. I also think for the most part it backfired. No one was paying attention to what Kap was protesting, all the attention was on whether it was right or wrong to kneel. I'm still not sure what he was protesting. Sure, he made a big bang. But whatever he was protesting got lost in the shuffle. Even now what we're talking about is if he had the right or not to protest. Not what his original protest was about.

 

Probably quoted from his hands free interface in his Range Rover Super Sport as he was pulling out of his gated community. Such oppression! Does he know who the 44th president was?

 

If your boss at work asks you to work two hours overtime tonight on a special rush project, but instead you take a knee in protest, then the boss fires you, what do you do or say?

 

It is a safe bet that in their contracts there is a clause addressing player conduct, appearance, etc. and that those rules are subject to change as the NFL sees fit.

Maybe better wording for your argument would be: before yesterday they were allowed to take a knee. Companies don't give their employees "rights and freedoms." Are/were you allowed to do/say anything you want as an employee? Of course not.

Point is, it was never their "right" to do anything. They were being allowed to express themselves during the anthem, now they are not.

 

100%. Trump is his own worst enemy.
But I also have never seen the media go after someone like this. They are feeding off of each other. It isn't even about politics anymore.
Trump could issue in world peace and an overwhelming majority in the media would still find fault with him.

It is really fun to flip back and forth between CNN and Fox and see how polar opposite they are in reporting the same exact thing.

 

All true. The media have taken sides in our political battles. There isn't any just reporting the straight news, fully, accurately and fairly anymore. Especially on cable. The news gets completely distorted to suit whichever viewers the news channel caters to. Trust in the media is at an all time low. According to Gallup, only 32% of all Americans now trust the media to report the news accurately, fairly and fully.

http://news.gallup.com/poll/195542/americans-trust-mass-media-sinks-new-low.aspx

Now this drop has been going on for a long time. So it isn't just Trump.We seen the trust in the media recede from a high of 72% in 1974 and has been slowly dropping ever since. Down into the 50's during Bill Clinton, dropped even further during Obama down into the 40's and now resides at 32% during Trump. It is the media's own fault in my opinion as slowly they have sided with one party or the other over time. With one ideology over the other to where their reporting has become overtly biased.

 

Well,again, I don't know what's in their contracts, I am not an NFL player, but they feel they have an issue-just giving my opinion about the issue & creating a thread to hear yours----
Why would I perhaps change my wording for my argument,I don't agree with that wording---
Well,yes,actually,I could say anything/or do I wanted,I didn't ask for permission & nobody told me otherwise & there was nothing in employee manual that said I couldn't, in any place I ever worked. And,I have never been fired in any job for saying/or doing anything I wanted. So,there's that----It was never an issue---
Maybe you have that in your employee work manual & accepted those terms upon your being hired-

 

Thanks---

 

Glad to help.

 

Well, I don't have a boss & this isn't about me---the thread is about the NFL'S decision--
Do you have an opinion on the NFL'S decision? Would love to hear it!

 

All that's going to happen is a bunch of players on the field kneeling, with the club management paying the fines without passing it onto the players, in order to virtue signal to the left. This is what the New York Jets chairman has said he will do. I know these clubs are rich, but these fines will certainly add up won't they? Also, don't these players earn enough money to be able to easily pay the fine themselves?

Why can't the solution be to simply scrap the national anthem from the regular season games? Why the hell does it have to be sung at every damn game? What a joke! I watch the English Premier League football, and I can't imagine the UK national anthem being sung at every single match! It would be utterly ridiculous and would just take away the novelty of the anthem and everyone would just get sick of it! It should only be for special occasions! (Play-offs, Super Bowl in the case of NFL)

Every player? What about players who don't want to kneel?

How is it not about disrespect for the flag?

Wait, this is TRUMP'S doing? Surely you can't be serious. Is there anything the left WON'T blame Trump for?

 

Kneeling before God, priests, kings, queens, and dictators is completely irrelevant as we're talking about the national anthem where standing has always applied. Terrible argument.

 

No its not.

There is no right to not have your free speech infringed by the NFL - that's not actually what the First Amendment says.

You mean because they had record bad ratings and were losing money?

 

the post wasnt about you it was clearly a hypothetical which was dodged. Care to respond to the on point? I will.

 

You politely ask the boss to borrow a cardboard box to pack your stuff up and do the walk of shame out of the office. If you need the job, you would apologize for being a moron. If youre a NFL player doing this, you are essentially a moron. You get paid millions to play a game that most people play for free. Life isnt that difficult for you, just shut and do the job you got paid for. If NFL players want to make a difference then they should run for office not spit on our flag and anthem.

 

The NFL fines and suspends players or teams for really petty and stupid things year in and year out, generally mishandles some PR issues, still allows criminals to play and has been doing so for the longest time, so them enacting this rule is pretty much in-character for them.

 

I think it is a decent rational policy. It allows the players to personally protest without embarrassing the team and fans with a stupid display to denigrate the flag.