North Korea threatening to attack Guam

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  1. stepmac

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    If the enemy has large numbers of massed infantry that is where one will find their dead.
     
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    All I said it was a new wrinkle. Whether they actually mean what they say is another thing entirely. My guess is you are right. They are saying the PC thing but have no intention of going to war with the US and therefore Japan, SK, Australia, and NZ among others. The entire Pacific rim will be against them and NK. Likely, this is a bluff but who knows. This is how wars get started......misinterpreting intentions stated and otherwise.

    I'm starting to lean in the other direction of there not being a war. I see China being boxed into having to rein Kim in and you may might in a covert action. That is the simplest mechanism although it leaves intact the materials for war including nuclear. That however can be cleaned up at some later point.

    Complex issue with too many variables at this point. Hopefully China and the US will do the right thing and find a way to de escalate this before we do have horror.
     
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    What is this obsession with Hitler? To even utter that name in the same sentence with another human being presently alive is an affront to humanity at large. As bad as Kim is, and he's evil, he is not a Hitler. Not yet anyway. You people on the left including whatever you think you are or belong need to cease and desist with that rhetoric.

    Of course a preemptive strike can be justified. The guy is threatening US citizens with ICBMs. Does he mean it? Probably just bellicose language but those are words which should never be uttered. Taking them seriously can't be condemned by anyone reasonable even if I would agree we should wait a bit longer. But the waiting period is short at this time. Something has to actually happen to change the dynamics.
     
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    I'll bet there are a lot of openings in the beach resorts. Book now. There are advantages and disadvantages to everything.
     
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    Not necessarily legally.
     
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    Your post is either misinformed or stupid or a combination of both.....The USA got their butts kicked in Viet Nam and had to hastily leave the country finally, despite raining bombs from B52 aircraft on Hanoi every night and using horrific weapons such as agent orange and napalm..they still lost. You need a reality check.
     
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    You have proof to the contrary? Please, let's see it. Not conjecture, not partisan supposition, but proof.

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    Jason Bourne Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The United States never lost a battle in Vietnam. Never. So how exactly did the United States get "our butts kicked in Vietnam?" With source links please.

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    Really!? You're going to use the 'loss' in Viet Nam as an argument that NK can defeat our Air Force. Don't even try to use the word reality with me, chief. You're grasping at straws as well as using a strawman argument. Even if we lost the air war in Viet Nam that was 50 years ago so the situation is quite different.

    They have some MIG 29s and 21s as their most modern planes and they are not upgraded. They are targets for upgraded F15s, F16s and overwhelmingly overmatched against 35s or 22s. They can't fly against anything we have.

    Their air defense is more problematic but we can kill it as well with bombers, missiles and Wild Weasel as well as jamming in plane from the fighters and bombers and standoff AWACs.
     
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    great job defending Saigon
     
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    Why stop there? Go back to WWI and WWII. Or Korea. Or the Battle of NO or the Revolutionary War.
     
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    Three years after the United States military left Vietnam. Blame the S. Vietnamese.

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    You can't stand off from the S 400 hundred system. It has range on Awacs and air to air refuelling.
    Korea doesn't have one, but Russia has one on the border. China, North Koreas other defence partner also has AA systems deployed on the border.
    Both Russia and China emergency deployed AA system when Trump started his rhetoric after that strike on Syria.

    The problem with Korea, who trounced your air force in the last Korean war by the way. Who are the reason why Top Gun school exists... is that they have an unspecified number of AA systems. And our intelligence really has no idea how many, because although we have a good idea of how many systems they have purchased internationally, we simply have no idea how many they have built domestically. And as the only reconnaissance we've got is from space, we can't actually see any because they are too small. Think SCUD hunting only smaller targets.
    So it's a really wildcard.
    If we think SAM alley, it's a tough nut to crack. High risk. Going in blind. Not optimum at all.

    So they might have a few, but they might also have as many as they have artillery pieces or perhaps even more. They could have10, they could 10,000 and they could also have 20,000. Anybodies guess.


    In Bosnia, the Serb air force flew every single day of the war in their Foxbats and suffered no losses.
    Unlike the USAF who took quite a few losses.
    They can fly against everything you have. Stranger **** has happened in war.
     
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    AWACs won't be in the equation until we have superiority but they can help with SAMs later. Why would you even talk about a war 50 years ago? The threats are totally different as are the planes, avionics, etc. Let them put 29s and 21s in the air and see what happens. They aren't even upgraded 29s and the 21s are a joke at this point. They will never see what destroys them much less get into a dogfight with guns.

    The AA and SAMs aren't a joke but as soon as they fire they will be destroyed; those that aren't destroyed before they go online. You're talking 50 year old technology which is laughable. Wild Weasels today are not F4s but sophisticated F16s made to destroy radar directed AA and missiles. Much of their stuff is hardened and will be destroyed and/or disrupted beforehand. Our fighters have in plane jamming and defenses not present nor even thought of 50 years ago.

    Hopefully you'll never see it but you are way way off the reservation when it comes to the capability of our Air Forces including Marines and Navy fighters/bombers.
     
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    If you have been following the news you must be aware it is an ongoing investigation, and there have already been some significant findings supporting what I said. Wikipedia is your friend.
     
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    I think china wants total hegmony in asia

    And that means driving the US out of korea, japan, and te south china sea

    Look for obama quislings in America push for a "compromise" where the US withdraws from South Korea in exchange for promises by kim to behave in the future

    Maybe even a fake agreement for kim to give up his nuclear program

    And it is all part of a larger goal of removing America from Asia
     
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    Blame liberal/progressive democrats in congress who abandoned the s vietnamese government
     
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    Definitely hearing the rhetoric on the left ie like Susan Rice we can live with a nuclear NK.
     
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    During the past 20 years leftwing *******s like susan rice were telling the public that north korea will never be able to reach America with nuclear ICBMs'

    Not that that lie has been exposed the next lie is that we can do nothing about it and must accept nuclear blackmail from north korea
     
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    She's a fool. And a spokesperson for the left who appear to want to destroy the US as it is....maybe was.
     
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    Fine, but don't blame the military. We never lost an engagement in Vietnam. Never. And it wasn't just democrats who abandoned the US responsibility to S. Vietnam's regime. Nixon and Ford were as much to blame.

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    Apparently, you have no proof.

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    Rewrite history if you must, but the true facts remain.
     
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    Which are???

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    The fact is that the United States military NEVER lost a military engagement in Vietnam. NEVER!

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