Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns

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  1. Archer0915

    Archer0915 New Member

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    I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

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    I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the State of (STATE NAME) against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the Governor of (STATE NAME) and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to law and regulations. So help me God.

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    So in the oaths the constitution is first and officers are listed with president in line.

    If the government attempts to circumvent the constitution then and military person that took the oath is obligated to stand against those orders.
     
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    Barack Obama refused to listen to John Boehner when Boehner said the US had a spending problem. Obama said the US had a healthcare problem. Implement Obamacare and everything will be 'hunkey dorey' John Boehner got the same response when he asked Barack Obama what did he get in return after putting 800 billion in new revenue on the table when Obama replied "You get nothing! I get that for free!" You'd almost think that Obama thinks he is Obewankenobe or somone like that. A Narcissist and a Jedi Knight to boot, Glory Hallellulia!
    Now an Executive Order banning guns on top of all that previous bullpoop.
    Gettin to feel and smell more like 1861 with every passing day.
     
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    Rapunzel New Member Past Donor

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    Seems we keep tolerating more and more and lose more and more liberty and freedom.
     
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    Archer0915 New Member

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    And until we resolve to stand we will continue to fall more. After a point we will be slaves and nothing more.

    Perhaps Gun owners should march on DC!
     
  5. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    There is no way the military will help the socialist tyrant confiscate weapons from the American people, and there is no way this country's veterans will sit back and let it happen...
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Exactly. Now it can be boiled down to if the President is giving an order that can be considered against the Constitution. It would all come down to how it is interpreted. Even if its blatantly clear that the order is circumventing the Constitution so will argue that it's not.

    Either way it doesn't really matter in the end. Try to give the middle finger to the 2nd Amendment and most of the military isn't going to have your back. Whether it be Guard, Reserve, or Active.

    It can be misconstrued any way they please. At the end of the day the military is comprised of US citizens. And those guys aren't going to stand for that anyway.
    So pretty much the government would lose twice.
     
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    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    Well, the right wing (*)(*)(*)(*)s want to obsess of denying "undesirables" basic human rights, gay rights, abortion rights, etc. Alienating voters. Loosing votes.

    And look, our sporting rifles may be banned do the lack of Republicans in the House and Senate.

    Good job boys! I so totally want to register my guns are NFA items!

    Stupid!
     
  8. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    Wouldn't be the first time that people with guns kill people without guns.

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  9. Ethereal

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    This country's military and veterans respect the US Constitution and the Second Amendment in particular. They will die before they violate their oath.
     
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    After Heller and McDonald, I doubt any law that defines a category of weapon based upon non-functional cosmetic features would survive scrutiny either, especially those that are currently "in common use for legal purposes".
     
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    What happens when SWAT shows up at a Navy SEAL's house?
     
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    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    They don't seem to mind killing civilians though.
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    People with guns kill people without guns. There is no reason to believe the statists in the military are somehow above killing us all.
     
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    If you knew as many active duty and vets as I did, you'd think otherwise. They love the Second Amendment and they aren't going to destroy it because some slime-ball from Chicago tells them to...
     
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    Yeah. Because soldiers never kill their countrymen.

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    Well you can't possibly speak for all soldiers , and fort hood was soldier killing fellow soldiers .. Lots of them . People can surprise you when the order is coming from the opposite end of a barrel .....didn't they do a study in our country about how easy it was to turn average joe into a tourture tool ?
     
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    Well good luck on finding a bunch of military guys willing to kill their fellow countrymen.

    I, as an active duty member, may just know a weee bit about what I'm talking about...
     
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    Police officers kill innocent people too.

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    I have not yet decided if they require registration if I will comply or not. To not do so may mean I would be unable to go to the range, and I very much enjoy that. However, to do so may lead to them taking my weapon because they know exactly where to find it.

    However, if our country is SO lost that it comes to random door to door searches without a legally obtained warrant, that is the moment I go from being a normal, everyday, white collar, law abiding citizen to an armed revolutionary soldier. It may result in my untimely death. So be it.

    The men we revere as our founding fathers made the same decision more than two centuries ago. Had they lost, they would merely have gone into the history books as unknown, unnamed rebels who attempted to rise against the Crown who were summarily executed.
     
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    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    Wait.

    Soldiers love the 2nd Amendment? I note that is your supposed rebuttal to my point. Not that they value human life. Just because they love the 2nd Amendment.

    How (*)(*)(*)(*)ing pathetic are your comrades if they don't have problems killing children with missiles but have a problem taking guns away. LOL

    Nationalism = fail.
     
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    Man that got me a little teary eyed.
     
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    I have many LEO friends. They have told me that if they were ordered to conduct such raids they would refuse. You may be over-estimating the number of people in this country who will roll over and be steamrolled by tyranny.
     
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    Patriotism is doing everything legally possible to collapse our pandering worthless government.
     
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    And you seriously believe that this government would order the military to go door to door to collect 300 million guns?
     
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    They would be forced into desk assignments or back at the county jail for inmate processsing or dismissed from the force and ordered to return thier *stylish* .223's to procurement ... no sweat.
     

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