Obama's ATF Used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations

no, if criminals are buying these guns, and the govt obtains evidence of that during an investigation, why shouldnt that be used to prevent them from buying guns?

 

... and then the Obama Administration fed stories to the National (Democratic Party) Media on the dangers and need to further regulate guns due to the "Mexican Gun Issue".

This is treason against the U.S. Constitution.

 

right, because the 2nd amendment says no reporting rifle sales

 

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed

 

so where does it say no reporting high volume rifle sales?

is it after the part about felons dont count, and where it says on CERTAIN arms count?

 

Obama is guilty of murder, because he put guns in the hands of criminals in Mexico. Those criminals killed our border agents.

its actually pretty simple to understand.

 

Exactly. Back when FF broke, we had threads here linking it to the gun control initiatives that were being based in such as Hillary's salvo in Mexico in 2009.

But there was only the fairly obvious appearance of what was going on. Now, your OP shows the documents that make it clear that such was the plan.

I just hope they beat that fool Holder over the head with this. Its a perfect road map. You have two of our most important cabinet members spear-heading this scam. Whether Hillary knew about FF is not known. But she was fed the orchestrated info by Justice, and then she ran with it. Who else told Hillary it was OK to initiate the political storm ? I don't think she put it together herself. She didn't go out on a limb without serious input and guidance from others.

 

The problem here isn't gun control, its lack of control of our border.

 

so if you provide a gun to someone that is used in a crime youre rsponsible?

nobody better tell Walmart that

 

Was it a legal gun transfer?

Holder knowingly provided prohibited firearms to unauthorized persons.

Try that and see what happens to you.

I don't think Holder is guilty of premeditated murder but at the least he's guilty of reckless endangerment and perhaps something even more serious.

This a an offense that could and should put someone in jail.

 

If you take a legal firearm, and then illegally provide it to someone else, you have broken the law, have you not ?

If it is then used in the commission of a crime, are you not now civily liable as well ? Are there not laws in different states where your criminal culpability increases depending on how that firearm is used ?

Is this some kind of "rocket science" where you live ?

 

I know it's hard for us with honest minds, but...

 

im not aware of anyone who has been charged with murder because of an illegal fire arm sale....which im not even sure has been proven.

are you telling me if I sell a gun at a gunshow to a felon and im not aware, im liable if he kills someone?

 

You have to be a very loose interpreter of the constitution to claim that regulating gun ownership bans gun ownership. Even the 1st Amendment comes with a "yeah, but."

 

If you give guns to criminals, who are not even US Citizens, and as a result, the person kills a border agent, yea you are guilty

 

are you telling me there is a law against selling a gun to a non citizen?

and who has ever been charged with murder for selling a gun to a criminal?

 

I am not stating anything.

Do you at least admit the government did wrong in this case?

 

sounds like a very risky operation that went wrong. but the Feds have walked a very tight line between entrapment and "investigation" for quite some time.....

 

Why can't liberals ever answer a direct question. My goodness.

 

what does "did wrong" mean?

obviously it wasnt right if a border agent got shot.....but does that mean the entire concept of the operation is "wrong"?

 

Yes, I believe so, the killed agent I would suspect thinks so, his family, and friends. Most individual citizens would think so.

 

then I guess we need to do something to prevent guns from ending up in the hands of mexican drug lords...

perhaps mandatory reporting requirements?

 

lmao, yea, get Obama and Holder out of office so they don't hand them the guns.

 

are you claiming they have no other access to guns? if the source of guns is the problem why would not want more regulations?

 

The source of the problem is Obama.