Obama's ATF Used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations

except you ahve nothing indicating hes involved in the slightest (not that its stopped you before)

logic fail...what else do you have?

 

Sure I do, the program was run under the DOJ, Holder is the head of the DOA, Holder works for Obama. Game over.

 

Wow CBS is turning on their golden boy. The media is preparing ("brainwashing") America for President Gingrich. CFR Member.

 

lol yes you lose....does that mean Reagan is felon because of Iran/contra?

 

yes. So when can we lock up Obama?

 

How about we do not let them cross the border illegally ? How about we tell our border and customs folks that they can get back to enforcing the law ?

That if they are told by representatives of Barack Obama and Eric Holder to disregard the law, that they are to ignore that directive ?

 

as soon as you convict him.

im sure the Sestak investigations are starting any minute now

 

ahh we see now how it changes lmao. typical

 

In a nut shell, you die hard libs have been outed. It was obvious to most folks with a brain what the government was trying to do with F & F, and now the liberal MSM is finally admitting it. It should be game over for Holder and company.

 

Fast and furious is probably the best example of why we need gun regulation.

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep/11/nation/la-na-atf-guns-20110912

1) Gun vendors follow the law and report suspicious buyers to the government

2 The government in turn tells them to sell the guns anyways

3) Then those guns go and kill people.

See? This is the perfect case for gun regulation.

 

Now let's see if the National (Democratic Party) Media will give this event the consistent, persistent, and in depth coverage it deserves. We have a sitting Administration that dealt guns to Mexican drug gangs illegally, which got people murdered (including foreigners and U.S. Agents), and then tried to use the event for their political gain.

They manufactured an attack on the U.S. Constitution and hundreds got murdered in the process.

 

It appears the information dump last Friday is finally being read through.

 

Well Duh! It was obvious that the dems planned to manipulate data and create situations to promote new gun grabbing.

 

I assume you believe that Bush should be in Jail for Operation Wide Receiver, which used the same tactics are Fast and Furious.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/the-guns-that-got-away-11172011.html

Why is it that the right wing propoghanda is ommiting that the tactics or letting guns walk was pioneered by the republicans under Bush?

Why are the right wingers not calling for criminal charges against the Bush and his administration?

Is it ignorance or hypocrisy?

 

But... but... but BUSHDIDIT!!!!! ROFLOMGLOLERSKATES!!!!

Bush did not:

• Lie to Congress
• Get hundreds of Mexicans Murdered
• Get U.S. Agents Murdered
• Attack the 2nd Amendment
• Withdrawal Letters to Congress
• Have his Attorney General Refuse to Swear In Under Oath Over It.

Finally, it does not absolve Barack Obama which this thread is about.

 

Wide Receiver was done with the co-operation of the Mexican government but when the corrupt Mexican police and army failed to interdict the weapons as the were suppose too, it was shut down because it failed but Obama resurrected it unbeknownst to the Mexican government to help pad the US weapons to Mexico statistics to pass gun grabbing legislation in the US. Any moron can see the difference on what Obama was up to.

The sole purpose was to let the guns walk by the ATF to make it look like 90% of the guns from Mexico came form the US, which is a bold face lie. Clean the (*)(*)(*)(*) between your eyes and see the light libs.

 

Democrat Party is Anti 2A .

 

Yes,I believe the initial motivation was to have this illegal - Fast & Furious -
as a way of making the case that Gun Sales need to be curbed or Banned.

 

OMG! Can you believe this?! It always always comes back to that when they are backed into a corner, sad and pathetic.

 

Bush did lie to congress and the american people. And those lies cost thousands of American lives and maimed and crippled thousands more. Now show me where Obama lied to congress?

So hundreds of guns allowed to be sold to Mexican drug cartels under the Bush ATF did not result in any murders? Are you really going to argue that?

And there is not any evidence that Obama approved the program anyway. Obviously this was an ongong strategic mistake by the ATF that crossed multiple administrations.

So show me gun legislation presented by the Obama administration.... there isn't any. Guns are not an issue being put forward right now by anyone but the right wingers who are being fed their talking points.

The fact is that Bush had a very similar program. It is no problem for republicans to send assault rifles to Mexico, it is only a problem when democrats do. So you can try to split hairs on the differences between the programs, but if that split hairs between these programs is the source of all this right wing outrage, all it shows is that the right wing doesn't have any significant grips.

Personally, I think both the Fast and Furious and Operation Wide Receiver programs are huge mistakes and the people that authorized both of them should be fired. But in the grand scheme of things, this has nothing to do with the broader direction of our country and it's leadership.

 

The only pathetic thing is that the right wing is trying to make a big deal out of this. And yet, when republicans allow hundreds of assault rifles to be sold to drug cartels in Mexico, it is no problem. The hypocrisy is sad and pathetic.

 

Sure.

Why should liberals like Obama or Holder care if a weapon they supplied to the Mexican drug dealers was used to kill a US Border Patrol agent?

It's no big deal, right?

 

Not if he voted Republican.

 

Because if it wasn't a weapon that was allowed into Mexico under Obama, it would be a weapon allowed into Mexico under Bush or a weapon that was not allowed intentionally into Mexico. But trying to stop guns going into Mexico is about as easy as trying to stop drugs from Mexico coming into America.

And I thought the right wing thought that guns don't kill people, people do. That guns should be freely available. But I guess that is only true for Americans. The death of the border patrol agent is not the mexican drug cartels fault now, it is the guns fault?

I mean, if you want to get into causal effects, if pot was not illegal, the drug cartels would be much smaller and have far less power. So the drug laws are to blame.

 

You do know Mexico has extremely tight gun regulations dont you? So the Obama admin shipping in guns without their knowledge.... Oh nm you will just blame Bush.