Obama's Gay Marriage Evolution is Offensive to God and America

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  1. CaptainKasko

    CaptainKasko New Member

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    So, putting the fertility of mules and the concept of this supposed "special treatment for gays" to one side for one moment, we go back to the point at hand, which is gay marriage and basically, equal marriage rights for everyone. Do we want to live in a society where everybody is treated with respect and fairness or do we want to live in a draconian society which has to have somebody to pick on to survive, like the proverbial insecure school bully?
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    There is no such thing as "Gay Marriage" as this is an often misused phrase by both sides of the debate. Gay (and lesbian) refers to sexual behavior and there are no marriage laws based upon sexual behavior. The laws of prohibition are based upon GENDER and not on sexual behavior. It is a matter of GENDER discrimination in the marriage laws.

    Same-gender couples are not seeking ANY special Rights and this can be demonstrated by how the laws would need to change for them. They don't seek to create law but instead to invalidate law. The invalidation of a law doesn't "grant" a benefit but instead removes the denial of a benefit.

    The First Amendment protects the Right of every person to exercise their religious beliefs so long as the exercising of those beliefs don't violate the protected Rights of others. Same-gender couples believe that marriage, which originated as a religious institution, is their Protected Religious Right under the First Amendment and they are correct. The imposition of religious opinion is expressly prohibited by the First Amendment to the US Constitution based upon Supreme Court decisions. The prohibitions against same-gender marriage are based upon "Christian" religious opinion related to marriage and violate the Religious Freedom that is a protected Right under the First Amendment.

    It is not surprising that many "Christians" oppose Freedom of Religion in the United States but it is a fact that they do. The only Religion they believe should be allowed is their religion and other religious beliefs should not be protected. The problem is, under the US Constitution, each American defines their own personal belief in God.
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    Nope

    Marriage limited to heterosexual couples in their mind is only unconstitutional in that it excludes gays. It is only unconstitutional because they are gays which requires heightened standard of scrutiny. Special rules for special people who are so special.
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    ????? Show me ANY religious doctrine that requires gays to marry.
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    That would involve equal marriage rights for any two consenting adults who wish it, NOT "gay marriage"
     
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    Okay, so let's take that concept and run with it. Equal marriage rights for any two (unrelated) consenting adults. Fair?
     
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    :roll:

    Well, when all the things you listed are made illegal, come back and we can talk about why gay marriage should be illegal.
     
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    "Unrelated"??? Why just the unrelated? Probably more children being raised by single mothers and grandmothers together in a home than have ever been raised by gay couples
     
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    Don't you think...that if there is a God...he's a bit more worried about our propensity to kill each other than our proclivities for loving each other?

    True love is as rare and beautiful as any gemstone ever pressured into existence...and infinitely more rare. If it can be found by any two people, it should be hailed as the miracle it is and not disparaged.
     
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    I think I've been misunderstood, I was going to say "equal marriage rights for any two consenting adults" but was concerned that some wise-guy would retort back with "so, are you saying that a brother and a sister could marry if they were two consenting adults" I was merely discouraging the advocacy of incest.
     
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    Agreed, marriage by definition has always been the union of man and wife.

    Same sex couples want to change the definition to suit themselves, rather than respect tradition.

    God is very clear about gay marriage, he's against it and Obama's evolution.

    Obama will be voted out in November along with plenty of democrat politicians.
    God will have his say here!

    In case you feel that something is wrong in the United States today, you aren't crazy.
    Obama has sent the United States into a decline never before seen in it's history. More than 500K college graduates entered the job market in May and less than 69K new private sector jobs were available for them. You do the math!
     
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    Same-sex couples DO RESPECT your traditions, I have NEVER heard of a gay person demanding straight marriage be banned!

    But why should same-sex couples OBEY YOUR "traditions"? Its YOU who does not "respect" others!
     
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    Tradition is not the main point, but God's will is the point.
    God did not create a man for a man, he created a woman instead.
    It is really simple and black folk understand and respect God's view on marriage.

    “A lot of the people that I have spoken to that are self-identified Democrats are completely and totally against gay marriage — they believe it’s a sin,” said Michelle Bernard, president of the Bernard Center for Women, Politics and Public Policy.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/76133.html#ixzz1yHROTe00

    The only question is by how much democrats will lose in November when democrats vote for republicans?

    In case you feel that something is wrong in the United States today, you aren't crazy.
    Obama has sent the United States into a decline never before seen in it's history. More than 500K college graduates entered the job market in May and less than 69K new private sector jobs were available for them. You do the math!
     
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    I believe he has no general rule about our laws, just the actions of an individual. I can not imagine God being against homosexuals, why would he look down upon a person loving another? Loving each other is what it's all about, sex is just a sport, a enjoyable action. I imagine to him, a game of checkers is much the same...LOL

    I was born Catholic, it's a nice faith. I do not follow everything the Church says. I figure I know when I screw up, and don't need to tell the man in the black suit behind the curtain.....

    Oh,,,I figure I also know BS when I see it, and Obama ''evolving'' is about as thick as it gets, it's intellectually insulting. Then again anybody that pushed ''Clunkers''......well...I wont be too harsh on the man's Crowning achievement...Possibly his only,,,imagine?
     
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    I'm sure this offends Santa too.
     
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    Soooooo marriage cant be limited to heterosexual couples because of the potential of procreation. Because marriage has nothing to do with procreation, because not all heterosexual couples can or intend to procreate, but you want to discourage marriage between closely related couples because of the potential of procreation????
     
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    I fail to fathom out why some people feel that they must relentlessly bring God into everything.
     
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    When Obama stuck his middle finger up at God and religious people, he brought God into it.
    It would have been better for Obama to have not offended God.
     
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    We're not talking about procreation though, are we? We're talking about equal marriage rights for all people, regardless of sexuality.
     
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    How do you know God was offended, did he tell you? Was Santa offended too? Your other imaginary friends as well?
     
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    Go read the earlier posts in this thread or the Bible, it's clear that Obama offended God!

    Or wait for Obama's defeat in November as Romney beats Obama decisively with far less money, media support and bogus poll numbers. Then ask yourself how did that happen?
     
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    Well, there is no tradition of same sex marriage. And from the queer nation manifesto-


    and

     
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    Maybe we all offended God so he gave us Obama.

    Romans 13:1
    Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
     
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    You said

    Is your opposition to incest more of a biblical nature as opposed to biological?
     
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    you will need to first prove the existence of your god, before you can assert it was offended.
     
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