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I never suggested incest. Your again confusing your strawmen for something I have said. Closely related people are simply the only ones still excluded from marriage with SSM

 

"Closely Related People" is what I was referring to as "Incest" - either way - it matters not to my argument .. substitute closely related. SSM has nothing to do with marriage prohibitions against those closely related. ZERO to do with genetic problems .. there is no constitutional relation.

 

What you are basically saying is - trust the government (appeal to authority fallacy).
Then you are trying to defend logical fallacies presented by the government.
Unfortunately my brain, cannot substitute faulty logic for the real logic.
When I say, I cannot accept "false equivalence fallacy" I cannot accept it.
You have to find more convincing arguments.

It is extremely important to understand that gay marriage is a special right for homosexuals, similar to special rights for black people, women etc.
But unlike privileges for minorities and women, privileges for gays have zero justifications.

 

I have definitions and fact as well as legal principle on my side. You are left with only your opinion.

Two guesses which one of us is happy with the end result.

There is no such thing as gay marriage in the law — it is just marriage — the same marriage as millions of other Americans receive. There are plenty of justifications, you just don’t like them so you ignore it.

 

Your definitions have been derived from the decision made by dictatorial branch of the government.
you are trying to promote an appeal to authority fallacy.
In democratic society people supposed to question whether government made right decision.

From this discussion it is 100% clear, that you have no logical justification why private activity (homosexual) should be awarded with public benefits.

 

You lose there also
Record-High 70% in U.S. Support Same-Sex Marriage
https://news.gallup.com/poll/350486/record-high-support-same-sex-marriage.aspx

In before you scream brainwashed! That number is increasing 2% to 3% per year as the bigots die off and are replaced.
If you support democratic society then you support same sex marriage

 

Doesnt incest imply a sexual relationship? The only example I have ever pointed to is the single mother and grandmother down the street from me who have never engaged in incest. Raising 3 kids/grandkids for over 10 years now. Grandmother has adopted the kids, they own their home jointly. Have complimentary wills. When grandmother dies she will have a substantial estate tax due. Two married gay guys no such tax will be due. Simply is no justification for the discriminatory treatment.

You dont comprehend how constitutional rules against discrimination work. The inclusion of same sex marriages eliminates the only justification for excluding the closely related.

 

Can you put one of those justifications into words?

 

SSM and relatives living together have nothing to do with each other .. any more or less than a hetero couple living together has something to do with relatives living together

So your argument is mute. What you claim is done by SSM - is already done in the case of hetero marriage.

 

20 years of telling people that excluding people of the same sex violates the constitution can have that effect.

 

Just one? Sure, marriage improves mental well-being vs non-married couples.
Increased life expectancy, decreased suicide, decreased mental illness…

Tons more that I have previously listed such as financial security, reductions in homelessness — all of these things benefit the couple as well as society as a whole.

 

EVERY discrimination in the law must be rationally related to serving some legitimate governmental interest and the distinction used to discriminate must be rationally related to serving that interest. What governmental interest is being served by excluding the closely related. Baseless claims that they have nothing to do with each other isnt an argument.

 

Or it could be that the arguments against same sex marriage are just really poor…
But go with whatever makes you feel better

 

That was the case when opposite sex marriage was examined, not same sex marriage. AND more importantly there is no evidence that all of those factors wouldnt apply equally to two closely related people. Got anything relevant to the current topic regarding the closely related?

 

Logical Form:

Everybody knows that X is true.

Therefore, X is true.
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Alleged-Certainty

 

How very woke! How very progressive!

 

The question was justifications for same sex marriage, which I provided.
Those justifications have nothing to do with incest relationships which is not the topic or the discussion no matter how badly you wish to asset it.
Do try and stay on topic.

 

Don't bring up the will of ‘Democratic society’ if you don't want it discussed.

 

I know your claims are baseless - having nothing to do with each other .. your made up difference in discrimination between SSM marriage and hetero marriage doesn't exist.

 

People are not immune from brainwash in 'Democratic society'
That is why actually leftists always trying to dumb down the population.

 

So now you don’t like a “Democratic society”? Let me guess, you only like it when it agrees with your narrative?

Did you ever consider it might be that your arguments are simply faulty and not 70% of the population are ‘dumb’?

It is interesting that the largest bloc still against same sex marriage is people with less than a high school degree… seems to dismantle your claim that education is the issue.

 

Please present some of the evidences why my arguments are faulty.
I have pointed out why I believe your arguments are incorrect.

Like I said your whole story is an appeal to authority.
Authorities on the other hand just forced their decision on the people without any justification.

 

You simply ignore them. Why would I bother when you are displaying such willful ignorance?

Not really, you have called it a special right when it isn’t, said everything you don’t agree with was a logical fallacy, called the majority of the population brainwashed and the courts stupid.

No real arguments

Justification has been listed — you even called marriage ‘lifesaving’. You would need a pretty good argument to deny others lifesaving remedies and you have presented zero.

 

No, that would be justification for including any two consenting adults. And the question was regarding marriage as it exist today which excludes the closely related in all 50 states.

 

Well, obviously youre not even following the discussion. Ive made no assertions regarding "difference in discrimination between SSM marriage and hetero marriage". The discussion is regarding the discrimination between those couples permitted to marry and those excluded.