Palestinian Statehood officially acknowledged.

BS, there are no new settelments, when a few fanatics take over a new hill the military comes and drives them away, I know becouse i've done it myself.

 

Exactly,

I dont understand this stalement, if we all want to live in peace and have no further demands of each other why not offer peace? they can even make impossible demands for peace - they simply dont offer it!

 

It is sad that some more radical elements (even reflected on the forum) say that Zionists should go home. When you ask them for specifics some will say pre1967 but others with say back to Europe! This reveals to me that some do not truly intend that there be a real solution and the Israelis are understandably unwilling to trust them. Yet there are others who i think are more practically oriented, and with them negotiation makes sense.

 

Because the thief still occupies their main house next door plus the downstairs part of this house and is now rearranging the furniture in the upstairs bedrooms. They can only get in through the front door by passing the thief's scrutiny and sanction. His militia stroll around the house at will. How TF do you seek domestic tranquillity under such circumstances.

That was not a rhetorical question.

 

Of course if you call the other person a thief and you may just be the thief whose house has been occupied because of a violent conflict with that neigbour, it gets a bit more difficult. It is probably best to stop calling your neighbour a thief and attacking him and start talking.

 

Why not?
The thief received donations from the Mafia don, doesn't he?

 

Why is it that the Palestinians do not drive them away ? It's their country, after all.

Oh yes, you gas and shoot Palestinians who attempt to remove your squatters from their country. You even kill British and American peace activists who are trying to address your injustices.

 

I prefer you will call me a fasict then having Hamas a spit away from central Israel, deal with Hamas and we can advance peace, leave things as they are and so shall we.

 

It's there in writing. 50 new outposts since 2001 - even if they are radical elements that are driven away, between 1993 and 1999, forty two settlements were established unsanctioned by the Israeli government, thirty eight of which remained. The existing settlements continue to expand.

 

The problem is that Palestine is a myth as proffered. So they (those hapless lied to souls, ie the Pals, are already squatters by definition, therefore have no rights to any land inside Israeli borders. That means even though I do not condone extrerme violence nor violating the rule of law by Israel, nor even heavy handed treatment of anyone, the pals have no legal right to refuse the settlements. Zero Nadda none! I do empathize with the homeless Arabs who believe the lies that they are homeless Palestinians. However it is a lie, and a lie easily uncovered by anyone that searches the library or net. However, this reply is not the place to detail EXACTLY how the name Palestine was created. Suffice to say the process began in the days of Herod went along as a normal process of history and linguistics up until the late 20th century, about 1967, when the process bacame highly malicious and deceptive. (see quantifier note in next reply). The corrupt process is still going on in 2013.

My thread will detail exactly how the modern Arab liars and other propagandists have perverted the name of a region to into an con game attempt by crooks to make a fabrication a nation. The crooks are the UN and world court etc and they are attempting to pull the biggest con game in the history of mankind over on the clueless (even if good intentioned) people of the terminally PC naïve world. As per above , the con game is the creating a faux nation out of a deception called Palestine.

reva

 

How can it be unsanctioned by the gov if we drive them away?

 

There right across the channel and Britain was allied with France, their neighbour. There are two factors that prevented a conquering of Germany: 1) the German's humanity was recognised by the public and the government, 2) Germany had the capacity to resist. Further, Scotland was never permanently conquered by England. It was briefly conquered when England became a militant republic under Oliver Cromwell, but this fell apart after the glorious revolution and consistent resistance from the Scottish aristocracy. The unified state- the Kingdom of Great Britain- was formed after James VI of Scotland inherited the English throne from Elizabeth I, and the Scottish and English voluntarily merged their parliaments on favourable terms to both parties: England got to be part of a larger state, thus allowing them to compete with France on the geopolitical stage, and Scotland got access to Englands colonies in the New World /history lesson.

If Israel withdraws and sticks to it's borders they will be in a position to offer real peace. Dangerous? Maybe, but that is besides the point; the point being that Israel is not being given a choice. While you may feel your country's policy has practical benefits, it is still very much illegal. Actors have no role in deciding which laws they will and will not obey if they want any claim to legitimacy. Do you really support your country's continued policy of giving the finger to the international community?

 

Sour grapes . The United Nations recognised the non-member Statehood of the - now irreversibly legally-accepted- Palestinians on November 29th 2012. Zionism is officially shagged. Comply with the law or go to jail.

 

I agree that the terrorist group Hamas should be imprisoned and moderates should be negotiated with.

 

Nope, Marlowe means REAL Zionists trying for an alliance with the fascists and Nazis (click here). Like the Lehi. You remember those true-blue Zionist terrorists, don't you. The Stern gang? Marlowe already made a link to Menachem Begin. You can add another Israeli Prime Minister - Yitzhak Shamir, who led Lehi.

Lehi wanted German aid against the British.... that simple.

You can find more detail here: http://cosmos.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/php/event.php?eid=458

 

Israel's borders end at the green line. Sorry. The rest is Palestine.

Just what authority recognises the settlements as legitimate? Because the international community recognises the State of Palestine, thus it recognises the Israeli settlements as unambiguously illegal. What is it you don't grasp? Palestine exists, the entire world recognises it while condemning your actions as illegal.

You are completely delusional.

 

Well, go get 'em. Bear in mind that Hamas is the legally-elected government of a United Nations non-member State. The squatters are simply vicious trash, located and armed by a State acting outside of the law. This is easily proven in any court. How does that affect your ..er....prosecution of the resistance to these illegalities ?

 

Even more interesting is the question: "What are the borders of Israel?"
Anyone brave enough to have a go, or is the answer (in 2013) as far as "MIGHT" allows them to be pushed = an ever-moving target.
In which case, exactly WHAT is this "Israel" that that country demand that the Arabs recognise as a sovereign Jewish State?

See the problem?

And the US opens its mouth and swallows.

 

Oh those REAL zionists who never had over a few hundred members (based on your own source) and whose plan was never responded to by the nazis who instead corraborated with the Mufti of Jerusalem. Yes I can see how the Jews were in it with Hitler in some peoples' minds....

 

Odd how you fail to react with similar vehemence when the suggestion is made that the Palestinians were in cahoots with Nazism. How many holes before your boat sinks ?

 

Except the Mufti did cooperate with Hitler, not saying that that was representative of all muslims though. Obviously not. Hitler hated them too. For a nazi it was a neccessary evil but one less evil than jews.

 

The contemporary Mufti was appointed by the British, ergo totally unrepresentative of Palestinians.

 

Well then I assume it will be proven in a court and not by murdering civilians which are not legitimate targets.

 

I never said they were representative of the Palestinians. I said that they were in cahoots with Hitler and not the Sterm gang.

 

It's extremely difficult to get the Zionists into court. They don't want to go