Please explain to an outsider...why Trump?

Im European. All of us here are confused why people would vote for Trump. If someone like that would rule my country, in such a way, i would move abroad immediately. We expected him to be swept away in these elections.

What is happening there that a huge part of the American people cant think of anyone better to lead the States than Trump? I dont mean to attack, we are all just completely weirded out by what is going wrong there in the USA. And a little frightened too.

Please explain, logically: why?!?

 

All Europians ( such as me ) are fed with Anti Trump propaganda over the local news.
The truth is that America is far better now than the time Obama was presedent.
The economy is better.
Unemployment got smaller.
More people have Jobs !
Yes.. the Red head is funny with sometimes a big mouth.. but he was a great presedent.

 

America is the last place in the world where the individual can prioritize themself over the collective. Our last several presidents have been collectivists in some form or another. Trump is an individualist President, and many Americans who still value individualism rallied back to that traditional and foundational American value.

 

When I was in Europe, in the 1970s, I had a lot of Europeans say that Americans were children. After being in Europe for several months, when I went home, I saw what they meant.

We have some incredibly rich people here. A group of them, led by the Koch brothers, thought they should run country, but from the shadows. They spent hundreds of millions, and talking about it thoroughly would take hundreds of pages.

They hired some of the best academics, and developed the best propaganda machine in history.

They then dragged the country to the Right. By the time Bill Clinton won, he was more Republican than Democrat. They brainwashed the country.

What the rich fools did not realise is that someone could take the situation they created, and turn it to suit their ambitions. That's what happened with Trump. During the campaign, Republicans reviled him. But they were so corrupt, they couldn't effectively resist him.

 

https://bookclubbabble.com/eight-books-help-explain-trumps-election/

Happy reading!

 

The majority of Americans feel the same way. Were it not for an antiquated Electoral College he would not be the raspberry seed in our wisdom tooth. I'm amazed the on going election is as close as it is even though Biden is clearly going to win. We have a lot of healing to do.

 

While I didn't vote for Trump in 2016, I did enjoy the benefits of reduced regulations on business as allowing for growth, low unemployment especially for minorities, an excellent economy and a general contentment among people with increased wages across the board.

Trump is rude, crude and quite often socially unacceptable. But he also isn't a career politician who spent 40 some-odd years pandering and kissing bum, making money off taxpayers and not effectively doing anything to the benefit of their constituents.

If Biden basically did nothing of social value in 43 years in DC, why on earth would someone think he is going to do anything effective at his age, in his mental condition? And one says to themselves, this is the best that the Democrats have to offer???

 

If you think he hasn't been making money off tax payers you haven't been doing your homework. Do some research.

 

Where do you get that Biden has done nothing?

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-achieved-40-years-politics-1541278

Do a little research before posting, please. I'm not a huge fan of Biden myself (he wasn't even my third pick during the primaries), but to claim that he's done nothing of social value is ludicrous.

 

After a full post, and you respond to one sentence.

You make the assertion, you provide the support to your assertion. Please itemize the P&L for each charge at a company held property, in comparison to what would have been paid out to comparable properties during the same time frames in the same locations.

 

So supporting the PPACA, which caused insurance premiums to go up, people lost their doctors, some lost their coverage, people who forced to purchase a private product, then couldn't afford the deductibles or copays, for a front loaded payment mechanism, and you call that a success?

Climate change bill. Does one actually need to be told the climate changes? What benefit was the bill? what did it accomplish?

Do you really want to waive the 1994 Crime Bill around as a flag? Maybe you need to brush up on what it succeed in doing.

I have done plenty of reading. Perhaps you need to actually understand what he has or has not done, and to whom.

 

Joe Biden has been an infamous corrupt racist politician for decades.
Absent massive vote fraud and systemic election rigging Biden is unelectable.
Now do you get it?

"It's also unclear why, exactly, Biden was hired: At Yahoo News, Olivier Knox and Meredith Shiner have speculated that the fact that so much of Burisma's permits are in Ukraine's troubled Dnieper-Donets Basin may play a role.

Then there's the broader problem: The appointment of the vice president's son to a Ukrainian oil board looks nepotistic at best, nefarious at worst. No matter how qualified Biden is, it ties into the idea that U.S. foreign policy is self-interested, and that's a narrative Vladimir Putin has pushed during Ukraine's crisis with references to Iraq and Libya. It clashes with the U.S. narrative that this is all about international law and human rights.

To be fair, Hunter Biden isn't the only person linked to politics on the board of Burisma: The Wall Street Journal reports that Devon Archer, the college roommate of John Kerry's stepson, has also joined, and on Wednesday, Ukrainian media reported that former Polish president Aleksander Kwasniewski would also join the board. It's an impressive crowd."

"Still, you have to wonder how big the salary has to be to put U.S. soft power at risk like this. Pretty big, we'd imagine."
WASHINGTON POST, Hunter Biden’s new job at a Ukrainian gas company is a problem for U.S. soft power, By Adam Taylor May 14, 2014.
https://archive.fo/2XBHh

 

You're not an American, you don't live in the USA which means everything you think you know about Trump is coming from the media, which means everything you think you know about Trump is a bunch of lies.

You may find it hard to believe but Trump represented the interests of the working americans, not the interests of the swamp that consists of the elites, the ruling class, lobbyists, Wall Street, the media.. which is why they hated him and have been smearing and slandering him non-stop, which is why you believe he is a racist, misogynist, moron...whatever.

Just to burst this bubble, Trump won higher percentage of the female vote in 2020 than in 2016, he won the highest percentage of the minority vote in 60 years among republican presidents. Some racist/misogynist, huh?

Lest we forget that the economy during his time in the office was incredible and it was incredible for the middle class, not just Wall Street, lest we forget 3 peace agreements in the Middle East and 1 in Europe, lest we forget the withdrawal of troops from war zones, the destruction of ISIS, revised and drastically improved trade deals and a gazillion other achievements benefiting the middle class and world peace.

 

Because this is the sort of thing we're dealing with here...
https://www.bitchute.com/video/2Q1XtPIl5rVz/

 

Sorry, you suggested trump wasn't making money off taxpayers. I'm asking you to support your assertion. I'm just guessing you might learn something if you do some research.

 

You should watch the program "Judge Juddy".. it shows that America is by far indi

100% true !

 

If the ACA is an evil to you, and made things worse, then it's no use wasting my time arguing with you. In my view, it got coverage for tens of millions of working Americans who couldn't otherwise afford it (or at least, not good coverage), and covered more than 100 million Americans with pre-existing conditions. If that's a bad thing to you, and doesn't more than make up for the small minority who didn't see a benefit from the systemic change, then any logic or reason is useless.

 

Once upon a time, the Democratic Party was the working class party in the United States. Over time, they lost interest in the working class (too prole!) and wanted a taste of the Wall Street money that the Republican Party had long enjoyed. So that left an opening for the Republicans to start poaching working class votes by appealing to them on cultural issues.

This created a split Republican Party..Half wanted to embrace the working class and their issues, half were embarrassed by them and wanted nothing to do with them. This lead to a civil war in the Republican Party that lasted for years.

Fast forward to 2015. There were 16 Republican candidates that all believed in basically the same thing (tax cuts/jawing about Israel and abortion/war) and there was Trump who presented a real working class agenda. Well Republican voters had never been given such a choice before, and jumped at it. This enraged the establishment of both parties, and they both furiously tried to destroy him. Surprisingly they failed.

Now, my guess is that you will understand none of this, because you've probably been told that issues don't matter, only Orange man bad matters, but there you go.

 

Hey there, thanks for all your answers, on both sides. Im going to try and answer more indepth after i read all your responses better and did some information checking.

Dont judge me too fast though, thinking i only read propaganda or i dont care about real issues. I know media - all of it, yours too - is coloured. I dont even have a tv and i try to get my information from diverse sources and perspectives (hence the question here as well).

Will come back too it.

In the meanwhile i hope for you guys (and us too) things calm down there.

 

Let me know where you get the word evil from, eh? Your hyperbole, not mine.

Didn't see a benefit? How about could not purchase a plan that fit their needs, like a high deductible plan for a healthy person (which later they brought back, but ONLY for those under a certain age) added things to people's plans that they didn't want nor need. Being told by the government that I don't know what is the better thing for me is a tad insulting. Might work for you, doesn't work for me. Premiums got jacked, employers got raked over the coals, the administrative burden for employers is absurd.

They only partial positive was pre-existing coverage, the negative of it was that people could be irresponsible, but pay the same premiums of those who took responsibility and made sure they had insurance.

Mandating a front loaded payment mechanism, and making everyone else pay for those who couldn't for a pointless document Health Insurance is not healthCARE. If people can't afford the deductible or co-pays (and there is numerous documentation out there on that) exactly what could is it? I've offered up ideas about sliding scale clinics where the low/no income group could receive actual CARE, no one has refuted it, but some still harp on about passing out insurance.

 

We can play the semantics game if you want.

If The Trump Organization charged for accommodations, were they in line with other accommodations in the same place during the same time frame? Who owned the accommodations? What was the P&L for that time period?

How do current politicians get paid? What is their salary relative to the constituents they represent? What is the dollar value of the benefit package they receive for the rest of their lives? Who pays for those lifetime benefits?

 

don't expect things to calm down, here or there. the propaganda wars have only just begun and finding an honest source of information is nearly as difficult as finding an honest politician. from what i know of european politics, your right wing is far more radical than ours because your mainstream has swung so far to the left. when an american leftist calls trump a fascist he does so because he has no real concept of what fascism is. in europe there are true fascists in play and some of them aren't necessarily wrong. in america fascism is the boogeyman invented by delusional progressives, an epithet designed to make the ignorant social justice warrior feel more righteous about his morally indefensible position.

as for what trump is or isn't - he is a man, an individual. in an age where the american politician is a polished product barely distinguishable as a real person, his individual status has enraged the political establishment like no one before. that rage has echoed throughout the political establishments across the globe and it would seem he has become universally despised as the antithesis of what politics is all about. he has been called a liar, but he has given the american people more honesty than the rest of government combined. he has been called an elitist, but has not taken a single step that didn't benefit his constituency as a whole. he has been called divisive, but i have noticed that it has been his adversaries who have politicized and expanded upon the differences within our society and have even gone so far as to divide the nation between the righteous and the "basket of deplorables". he has been called impulsive and even childish and i can't say that i wholly disagree on this point, but then i look at the massive tantrum thrown by his opponents over the last four years and i wonder where all of the adults have gone.

i have to say that i kind of feel sorry for donald trump. i honestly believe that he went into this thing with the best intentions, trying to find sanity in the madhouse of a decades long orgy of mismanagement, but the western world may be too far gone for even the best of intentions.

 

Immigration & trade policies, rejection of Globalism

concern about declining standards of living

The big main cities on the coast seem to be doing well, while many rural areas and the Rust Belt region (near the Great Lakes) is suffering and in decline.

 

add to that a basic dissatisfaction with the current state of politics in general. there are no non-millionaires in congress. despite a nation with an expanding poverty problem that constantly imports poverty on an industrial scale, those who promote the notion of diluting the american workforce seem to be living the high life at our expense. trump turned millions into billions (and probably lost a similar amount) by working within a system that is undoubtedly the greatest wealth producing mechanism the world has ever seen. that is the american dream on steroids. while the progressives (yes, our last three presidents have all been progressives) keep telling us that they will get it right eventually, trump said that each of us can get it right (or wrong) without having to depend on some bureaucratic nonsense.

he did not fail. it was the american people, at least a voting majority, that failed to try hard enough and keep the faith. instead they fell back into the trap of accepting the bullshit and settling for the demands of the lowest common denominator.

 

Do you consider pre-existing conditions to be caused by a person being irresponsible?

There was a very disorganized adjustment period, which is when most of the problems you list occurred. Any new system takes time and a lot of tweaks to work well.