Please explain to an outsider...why Trump?

I purposely didn't include this year because a drop in wages and economic output would distort an evaluation of Trump's policies.

I was on the Board of the BC Social Credit Party in Canada. I gave you a link to the party so you know what they were about. In the U.S., my mother was the Republican mayor of city. I never was interested in Republican politics after the party went pro-life.

Everything I've seen you write about the economy says to me your background is weak. Economists know Trump hasn't done much for the economy because he hasn't worked on structural issues like improving private and public infrastructure, refocused the tax system to encourage research and investment over consumption, bring in universal medical care to have a healthy workforce, encourage public and private worker training, and improve K-12 education. We also need to improve the operation of our capital markets to get people investing in business instead of building big houses. There's more, of course, and Trump has hardly moved the needle of any of it.

In the next couple of decades, we're going to see millions of workers lose their jobs because of AI, quantum computing, and high-speed wired and wireless communication.

 

and Biden has 76 million.

Democracy wins!!!

 

Trump doesn't rule the country, perhaps your confusion is because you do not understand how our government works. The President doesn't rule nor does he lead the sovereign states. States are run by their state governments with the governor as head of the executive branch. Governors of the states do not report to the President of the Federal Government, the United States Government. The President is only in charge of the executive branch and it's functions in the Federal Government, which is quite a lot.

 

It's the leftist which have caused all the violence and anarchy, note the right wing has not burned down any cities after the apparent Biden win, had Trump won..................

What are you top news sources about politics in America?

 

Biden hasn't official won yet but if he does the 76 million was not the win, he won the electoral votes of the individual states in those individual elections. It would be a "the Federal Republic wins!!!" were I inclined to agree.

 

This increase reflects getting more hours as opposed to higher wages.





Workers' real wage went up about 10% over the last six normal years, Obama's last three years and Trump's first three, and were essentially flat from 1979 to 2014. Earlier advances in household income came from women working, postponing full retirement, and so on.

The bad news about household income is that it tends to peak just before a recession and that's where we were heading when SARS-CoV-2 got us.

 

People were tired of the same ole politics regardless of party.

Witness Bush, Sr., Clinton, Bush, Jr., Obama were like the same party.
Wall St, Globalism, Not At War, Wars, cyclical stock market meltdowns, etc.
Republican 4 years. Democrat 8 years, Republican 8 years, Democrat 8 years did not matter. 26 years of the same policies.
Steadily working people had to struggle harder to stay even.
I call them RepubloCrats. Same foreign & domestic policies.


I liked Sanders '16 version but, the DNC anointed Hillary before the first primary.
Given a choice of Sanders vs Trump in '16 I would have supported Sanders.
Given the choice of another RepubloCrat or Trump, I went Trump.
I think "we" like his Nationalism and less Globalism.
Before COVID people felt richer.
Although Europe is having similar COVID episodes,
that is ignored by Blame Trump groupies.



BTW I like our system over Parliamentary systems.
Without our separation of powers, not one Roosevelt, nor Eisenhower, etc.
With Biden we have one of those aging in the legislature until . . .
just like a parliamentary system.
Expect more Globalism from Biden, unemployment, etc.


Moi
Fair Trade, Not Free Trade.

Trump Busted
Trade Abuses Ignored By Obama​

 

Real income is not wages.

 

Real economists know that the Trump policies have done more to improve the US economy than any President in the last three decades.

 

Real people feel it too.
Trump ended 26 years of having to struggle harder
to stay even.

Further explained upload #82 above

 

Yes ... at least you read some of what I wrote.

Folks had higher incomes because they got more hours, not higher wages.

 

How about looking at Australia?



25m people and 907 deaths. Scaled up to our 331m people, they would have lost fewer than 10,000 Aussies.

This is what Americans think about the Orange Oaf's handing of the pandemic:



Care to guess why Trump got the boot?

An uninformed comment about NAFTA 2.0.

 

An absurd statement.



The economy grew faster under Bill Clinton.

 

Half the country has succumb to the sickness that has always produced evil dictators. That is how trump got elected in 2016. And if he hadn't lost this time there would have been a civil war.

There is no logical explanation for the fanaticism incited by trump. It is driven by primitive impulses and emotion. It is hate based politics. It is the same thing that produced HItler. That is why people like Putin and Kim Jong Un are trump's best friends.

Don't doubt for a second that people who support trump are fanatically dangerous. They have shown that they would install a despot. I will never forget the day that a trump crowd cheered when he called for extreme torture. It was the most shocking thing I had ever seen in this country. Then he called for the families of terrorists to be killed. WTF?!?!?! This is right out of Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia. They cheered at the thought of killing tens of thousands of people who have done nothing wrong. That is how trump got elected. This is the sickness that brought him to power.

 

What Trump provided was the ability for businesses to grow, which involved a lot of taxable revenue, which in turn allows local and state agencies to improve their infrastructure. And a great many of them did. It doesn't require the POTUS to direct individual State growth. The only involvement the Government should have is making the business environment conducive to that growth. If the previous administration had done the same thing, then I would say the same thing.

Healthcare is not a government function, no matter how much certain groups try to make it so. The lobbying of insurance groups have tried to make it so because the PPACA gave them a captive audience. Insurance IS NOT healthcare, it's a front loaded payment mechanism. People seem to forget that fact.

Your view of economics seems to depend on the Federal government directing the growth, and that is not how it should be. That is not their purpose, and when they muddle with it, they muck it up so badly that it harms everybody. NAFTA is a good example of that.

With AI, it is not like jobs just go *poof*, new jobs are created, people are retrained. Look back over the past couple of decades: jobs that disappeared, and new ones that were created. Treating what you listed as a means to claim no growth, or the future of doom and gloom, is your issue, not mine, and the employment markets will adjust accordingly.

Since a number of people claim that the world population is shrinking, perhaps y'all could coordinate that with the job loss and make it balance, eh?

 

1) The economy was already growing. If you mean his tax cuts, he did them when the economy was humming along nicely, and didn't need it. He did it hoping it would help him get re-elected. Prob is, that's not where the money was needed, not when it was needed, and before Covid when we would really, really need it.

2) Republican gimmicks like killing regulation usually come with long term costs that outweigh any short term benefits.

3) Every country that can afford it has some sort of national health care, even poor countries like Costa Rica and some Eastern European countries. It's the sane thing to do.

4) Government involvement is part of capitalism, always has been. In the 1800s, Britain was the first fully capitalist economy. They had started investing in it in the 1700s, and kept having to get more deeply involved, taking over roads and water supplies, disease control and more..

5) Money for education and retraining makes sense, esp. when the economy sucks.

 

People earned higher incomes. More people working results in higher real median household incomes.

 

It grew faster under Newt Gingrich and the supply side policies of the contract with America. Stiglitz confirmed that the Clinton economic policies were supply side.

 

I didn't question the economy was already growing. But it could have very easily stalled. I make no reference whatsoever to the tax cuts. That's a whole different subject for another day.

And some regulations imposed serve no purpose other than to please special interest groups and provide no long term benefits. Other have unknown long term benefits.

The US is not 'every other country'. I'm not big on lemmings. No, it's not 'the sane thing to do'. The 'sane thing to do' would be reducing insurance companies back to what they were... optional. Lobbying has given them power, and the politicians in DC katow. Remove the influence, and let insurance companies cover the serious stuff, and people pay directly to providers for the basics, or if part of the low/no income group, an expanded Medicaid. I pay cash for a number of medical related things. It's cheaper for me because it's also cheaper for the provider and they don't have to wait for their money.

State government is different then Federal government, but then you already knew this.

Money for retraining and education already exists, but money is not primary. There are many ways to learn new things that don't require 'other people's money'. The only thing that changes over the course of decades is the subject matter.

 

Maybe you should concern yourself with Europe, and leave the United States to those that live here. Because frankly, I am weirded out with what is wrong with Europe. You join an alliance against Russia, and then deal with them to get your heating and cooking fuels from them. You, got rid of most of your border security. Now terrorists can attack France, and then high tail it to some other third world EU country to hide out. There is nothing to stop them at the borders. You will bow down to the Muslims that want to remove your leaders from power. You claim that gun laws make you safer, but you have a rash of knife attacks, beheadings, and cars driving into crowds. How much safer would it be if a private civilian had taken a gun to a knife fight? That happens in the US all the time, but it is omitted from the statistics.

The real problem with understanding this issue, is that a large portion of the US is not dependent on the MSM that is suffering from TDS. We know what is really happening. We have rejected the lies and are voting based on the truth.

But if you are really interested. Here is an idea. I have used this several times, and the results are always the same. Ask someone suffering from TDS, to give examples of the things they claim President Trump is guilty of. Such as examples of his racist comments, or anti-immigration comments. You will get one of two responses. No response, or statements that can easily be debunked.

 

NAFTA, that flushing sound as jobs disappear?
Or dumping their surplus subsidized dairy on
You were aware or not?
Trump took action on abuses Obama ignored.


AND
People in would not tolerate the extent of Aussie's lockdown
such as being limited how far one may travel from their home.
Just ask @Sallyally

 

Haha.

 

Isn’t median the middle between the highest and the lowest?
The rich got richer?

 

i see so much projection here that it is almost laughable. hate based politics? this is coming from someone who embraced the notion that half of the country consisted of people that should be hated. after all, they fit so well into a basket. this is coming from someone who's compatriots would be willing to start a "civil war" if their man didn't win the presidency. this is coming from someone who's hatred runs so deep that acting diplomatically toward the antagonistic leaders of opposing nations is seen as being "best friends" with those who's actions run counter to our most cherished beliefs. dangerous? it isn't trump followers we should be worried about. they aren't the one's burning, looting and murdering. trump isn't the one encouraging his followers to voice their dissatisfaction by rioting and holding cities hostage.

we have come to a point in this country where lunacy like that which i quoted is seen as normal discourse, where innuendo is taken as fact and guilty before proven innocent is the norm. the seemingly moronic associations with nazi germany and stalinist russia are quite apt when we look at the democratic party's tacit approval of brown shirt mentality and its followers' single party fanaticism. campaign rhetoric is one thing, but the actions of the democratic party over the last four years have placed it firmly in the realm of what reagan might have called an evil empire.

 

Yes as the Republicans took back the Congress and then the WH wages increased but I bet you put Biden back into office so we can look forward to declining once again especially if the Dems then win the Senate.