They owe it to themselves to get a basic physics lesson. Why is this even still being debated? It is a completely non-debatable issue. All three of those buildings were brought down in controlled demolitions.
It is my opinion that the only reason it is still being debated is that everyone is government schooled starting in kindergarten. The public has been trained, not educated, into believing authority figures. They do not have any understanding of physics, building construction, and fire codes, so the professional debunkers have ridiculed conspiracy people into submission until the truth finally reaches critical mass. All three WTC buildings were brought down in controlled demolitions. It is a non-debatable issue. For those interested in the truth at 1:18 in this simple example of building construction one can observe 9 columns, 3 beams, 13 floor joists, and 2 rim joists. [video=youtube;iN4ig1i-AKw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN4ig1i-AKw[/video] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN4ig1i-AKw In order for this simple example to go into freefall all 9 columns must be cut at the same time. When that happens the beams, floor, walls, and roof come crashing down. In high-rise building construction the columns are much more numerous and thicker steel, yet the same principle applies. All the core columns must be cut at the exact same time to come crashing to the ground like WTC building 7. Fires can't do that. Only explosives can. One can hear the explosions cutting the core columns just before the building comes crashing down in the following video. [video=youtube;ERhoNYj9_fg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ERhoNYj9_fg#![/video] http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ERhoNYj9_fg#! - - - Updated - - - It is my opinion that the only reason it is still being debated is that everyone is government schooled starting in kindergarten. The public has been trained, not educated, into believing authority figures. They do not have any understanding of physics, building construction, and fire codes, so the professional debunkers have ridiculed conspiracy people into submission until the truth finally reaches critical mass. All three WTC buildings were brought down in controlled demolitions. It is a non-debatable issue. For those interested in the truth at 1:18 in this simple example of building construction one can observe 9 columns, 3 beams, 13 floor joists, and 2 rim joists. [video=youtube;iN4ig1i-AKw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN4ig1i-AKw[/video] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN4ig1i-AKw In order for this simple example to go into freefall all 9 columns must be cut at the same time. When that happens the beams, floor, walls, and roof come crashing down. In high-rise building construction the columns are much more numerous and thicker steel, yet the same principle applies. All the core columns must be cut at the exact same time to come crashing to the ground like WTC building 7. Fires can't do that. Only explosives can. One can hear the explosions cutting the core columns just before the building comes crashing down in the following video. [video=youtube;ERhoNYj9_fg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ERhoNYj9_fg#![/video] http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ERhoNYj9_fg#! - - - Updated - - - It is my opinion that the only reason it is still being debated is that everyone is government schooled starting in kindergarten. The public has been trained into believing authority figures. They do not have any understanding of physics, building construction, and fire codes, so the professional debunkers have ridiculed conspiracy people into submission until the truth finally reaches critical mass. All three WTC buildings were brought down in controlled demolitions. It is a non-debatable issue. For those interested in the truth at 1:18 in this simple example of building construction one can observe 9 columns, 3 beams, 13 floor joists, and 2 rim joists. [video=youtube;iN4ig1i-AKw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN4ig1i-AKw[/video] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN4ig1i-AKw In order for this simple example to go into freefall all 9 columns must be cut at the same time. When that happens the beams, floor, walls, and roof come crashing down. In high-rise building construction the columns are much more numerous and thicker steel, yet the same principle applies. All the core columns must be cut at the exact same time to come crashing to the ground like WTC building 7. Fires can't do that. Only explosives can. One can hear the explosions cutting the core columns just before the building comes crashing down in the following video. [video=youtube;ERhoNYj9_fg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ERhoNYj9_fg#![/video] http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ERhoNYj9_fg#!
On occasion there are real "conspiracies". However, one thing most of them have in common is that they almost never last. Think I am kidding? Check out this list... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Thursday https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_burglary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-contra https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_Credit_and_Commerce_International https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_plot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_snow_white https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osho_(Bhagwan_Shree_Rajneesh) Now that is a short list of real life Conspiracies. Now, what do these have in common? Well, they did not stay a "secret conspiracy" for very long. And the moment any tiny little crack appeared, everybody and their brother who had anything to do with it pretty much jumped out of the shadows and sung like birds. Evidence was collected, people tried and put in jail, others committed suicide because they knew they were facing life in prison, they generally became ugly messes with tons of document proof, eyewitness accounts, and evidence. And notice, several were by the US Government or agents thereof. Now this list should tell anybody with more then 4 working brain cells something important: The US Government is not very good at conspiracies. Nor is anybody else, because people can't keep their mouth shut, they can't ever remove all evidence, and when one person is caught, they will sing to avoid prison (as will everybody else down the line). Because most of these conspiracy theories tend to involve murders, and who wants to be left holding the bag on a Death Penalty case for murder?
The Gulf of Tonkin false flag conspiracy which killed 58,000 American men and untold Asian people was hidden by our government for nearly 50 years until the documents were unclassified. The government is very good at hiding important documents. They still have 1100 classified documents about JFK hidden from view. They are scheduled to be declassified in 2017 as long as no agency objects. Whats in CIAs secret JFK files?
This one's for you, Jon.. [video=youtube;d-ABIIZV3vA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-ABIIZV3vA[/video]
When I listen to conspiracy theorists and watch the vids I see an amalgam of assumptions and fact. When I in the past would listen to the lunatic fringe tell me stories that the government is watching us all, monitoring everything we do like in the Gorge Orwell book 1984... I think to myself "oh boy here we go, another loon"... then the NSA scandal hits. The real question is; were the conspiracy theorists just making blind assumptions based in paranoia and got lucky with the NSA scandal... or did they have real evidence and failed to make an convincing argument?
whats so funny about conspiracy theorists like you,is you believe the THEORY that oswald was the lone assassin ignoring the 7th grade laws of physics,claiming the witnesses who said they saw a gunman fire a rifle behind the picket fence were loonies,all the dallas doctors were loonies,and photopgraphy experts that have concluded the pic of oswald holding a rifle were fake lke oswald said they were,that they are crackpots,as well as shooting yourself in the foot all the time with your warped logic not only on those things,but concluding the witnesses were just making things up saying they were harrassed and threatened cause they would not change their story,and they were just making things up saying the warren commission people altered their testimonys.comedy gold form you as always. you got tired of getting your ass handed to you on a platter on that other thread having all your bs you posted shot down,so you created a new thread to try and get away from losing constantly on that thread.comedy gold as always.
The ironic thing is, is that for the last 15+ years, anybody could have done this, all they need is enough processing power and storage capability. Today, over 90% of our data transmission (documents, voice, etc) is over the Internet in one form or another. All of it. And quite a bit goes through the eather to satellites and bounced up and down into space. And absolutely none of that is "secure". None of it. I used to hang out with a lot of Satellite TV hackers, and the things they could pull off was often times amazing. And you even have people with cell spoofers now stealing all kinds of data, and capturing it en-transit. We have seen this small-time a great many times already. And as long as people send anything through the Internet, it will be captures at least somewhere along the way. It is just the nature of the beast, there is absolutely no security in it anywhere. And anybody that thinks it is / should be / can be is a complete fool. If you don't want everything captured and recorded, then stop all phone calls (especially celular), get off the Internet, and live in a cabin in the woods.
I could care less who is monitoring me as I have nothing to hide. I also know about hacking as I was taught in college that to catch a hacker you have to be a hacker... so we were trained as hackers. I have a Bachelor Degree in Information Security Systems.
Then you should inherently understand TCP/IP V4, and it's complete lack of security and the ease of which anybody can capture packets. And you are surprised that somebody actually did it? I bet that every government in the world is doing this, so why are you so shocked/surprised/angered?
Wow, talk about taking some liberties with my views. Please... do go on... tell me what else I think. You seem to have my view all figured out so I will sit back with some popcorn and a soda and be awestruck of your ignorance of my view. I think you read way too much into what I said.
Your entire post is based on the false claim that we know about every conspiracy. You have no idea how many conspiracies there have been, and therefore you do not know how often they are discovered. Effectively, you're claiming you know something you don't. I think you need to apply your analogy about lack of brain cells a bit closer to home.
OK, a conspiracy involving a small handfull of people becomes public knowledge, with tons of documents and the #2 man in the FBI turning evidence over to the Press is real. But then we are supposed to believe a complete and utter 3-ring circus, with the FBI, CIA, KGB, the Mafia, and dancing bears was involved in killing a US President, and in over 50 years not a single person or shred of real evidence has ever come to light? Generally, I find that most conspiracy theories slit their own wrists on Occam's Razor.
all this has been detroyed, debunked... annihilated yet you continue to ramble on and on. Here you go: http://www.debunking911.com/ This is a systematic annihialtion of all conspiracy theorist claims and you can even click on the many links to get a thorough explanation of each topic. Now let's keep this to JFK please, 09/11 is way more crazy than JFK conspiracies so let's keep the really crazy stuff in the 09/11 threads
stop the incoherent rant please.. well look, i make a valid point that you dont' want to accept. The conspiracy theorists who swear that JFK was indeed a result of a conspiracy are a walking contradiction. They claim we are naive and that the Warren Commission and even House Select committee on assassinations cannot be trusted but they believe what is written in all the conspiracy theory books. Let's see - Warren Commision and HSCA were non-profit independant investigations comprised of respectable and diverse members. Their investigations were much more comprehensive than any research or investigation conducted by any of these conspiracy book authors. The Warren commission was even spearheaded by the chief justice of the supreme court! yet even he doesn't hold any water compared to people like Mark Lane. We are to believe that these thorough investigations were dishonest, flawed, corrupt yet the books authored by the Mark Lane's, Roger Stone's of the world were flawless, honest and based on more comprehensive research and analysis. This is intellectually dishonest; in fact, it's intellectual murder and hypocrisy! The credibility of these conspiracy book authors is on the floor; not only did these guys write books for a PROFIT, they didn't have a fraction of the resources, objectivity and independance of the aforementioned investigation committees. Here are a bunch of crooks and salesmen writing books to make themselves rich and yet it's gospel for some JFK conspiracy theorists.
Indeed it is tough to get good incriminating evidence while the CIA still sits on 1100 of the most important classified documents. Those documents are set to be declassified in 2017. Whats in CIAs secret JFK files? More at the link.
Yea, and? As a matter of law, the US Government does not release any information on intelligence operations unless the individual is dead. This is for their own protection. Not even Woodward told who his source was, until that source himself released who he was shortly before he died. I would hope that they keep things like this classified as long as they need to, for the protection of those sources.
If you can't understand what I've written then you can't read English. I explained to you thoroughly why it is not valid. You cannot expect anybody to take you seriously when you ignore the testimony which discredits your opinion, and then carry on talking as if nothing has happened.
First of all The laws of physics do not contradict anything the government said or the FACT that Oswald acted alone. Second of all NO witnesses saw a man shooting a gun from the knoll. A few HEARD gun fire from the knoll but that is irrelevant. Some witnesses will always get it wrong and the vast majority of witnesses heard the shots coming from Oswalds nest. Third the pics of Oswald were proven to be ligitimate and never altered no experts stated otherwise although a couple of rank amateuars CLAIMING to be experts made the claim. No one was harrassed and the only people who claim to be harrassed were those with MASSIVE crdibility issues such as known documented patholigical liars. Or drug addicts. Or those who routinely change their stories depending on which conspiracy thoerists solicits them. All these facts have been presented to YOU in the past and you ignore them. They have been proven facts and you will never acknowledge them you will merely go and repeat debunked and proven lies in the 911 forum and then come back here later to repeat debunked lies when you think others have forgotten them. This is your MO you post a lie, it is easily proven a lie. You leave it and go to another thread until everyone forgets you,ve been proven wrong then you come back and do it again like it never happened.
they should start a comedy club with their warped logic they have that none of the witnesses saying they saw a rifleman behind the picket fence firing a rifle and none of the dallas doctors daying the head and throut wound were entrance wounds to the front matter.none of those high crediential doctors what they said that back up the witnesses carry any water,only what our corrupt government institutions that they worship what THEY say matter to them. pure comedy gold is the understatement of the century to his post.hahahahahahahahahahahaaha "rolls on floor laughing."
How about this one, that you may remember from the 60s and 70s: "The CIA is trying to control my brain". This was pretty much the origin of the "tin foil hat" meme right there. Well, as it turns out, during that time period, the CIA WAS doing "behavior modification research" on unwitting US citizens (MKUltra LSD experiments). As of 2007, this is no longer disputable, because the FOIA request for the CIA's "Family Jewels" was finally honored after 15 years. The Family Jewels proves not only that they did do those crimes (and many, many others), but they then kept them secret for more than 30 years. By the time Family Jewels was released, anyone who could be held accountable was long gone. So that kinda blows your theory. http://www.foia.cia.gov/collection/family-jewels http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Jewels_(Central_Intelligence_Agency) http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/26/washington/26cia-timeline.html
