Project Gunrunner

I would consider the record of Obama, Clinton (Both of them) Holder, Feinstein, Bloomberg, and company as proof.

 

The Mexican gov't does not request a trace from the U.S. on guns that obviously were not made here. There would be no point in tracing a Romainian made AK-47 or other countries weapons.

Why would a drug lord want to pay American prices for a semi-auto-only knock off of the AK pattern when he can get the real thing, full-auto select fire, much cheaper from China, even after smuggling costs?

 

the ATF or BATF has been pretty much out of control since ruby ridge (1990), you see that attitude of waiting to see a full accounting is the rub, because it will never happen, if they can get away with what they got away with in Waco in 1993 then I doubt a full accounting on this or any of the crooked things they do will ever be recognized.

 

Ayuh,... God forbid analyzing history with Common Sense, rather than peer reviewed preconcieved results "Studies"...

The Progressive agenda has been the Banning of all guns from private citizens since the Kennedys started dropping...
The only thing that changes is their tactics, 'n talking points...
From the "Saturday Night Specials" of the 60s, to the "Plastic Guns" of the 80s, to the "Bullet Identification" scams of today...

 

Silverhair, we've been all over this before. I'm not trying to say anything here other than refute the inaccuracy in the other member's statement that "ATF falsely proclaimed to the media that 90% of guns in Mexico come from the U.S. "

As I accurately pointed out to him, he was not correct in the ATF's assertion as they did NOT say that.

 

Then you would be wrong. Nice try though.

 

Good point. Let's lynch 'em all regardless of the facts. We'll just let broad aspersions and blind ideology guide us, shall we?

 

Ahhhh, yes, We need a study of some studies to see that the BATF is promoting straw purchases, 'n illegal gun exportation to Mexico,..??

Right,... Gotcha....

I guess plain ole Evidence, 'n common sense ain't enough for some elitist..

 

If you do any real reading and research, you will also KNOW that it is true.

 

Yes, of course.

You mean the "real reading and research", that can't actually be produced or verified? No thanks, I'll stick to the unbiased and verifiable variety.

 

You don't think there was a "Project Gunrunner", and that the ATFE authorized illegal sales of weapons?

 

Don't be cute. You know darn well the context of my post that you responded to. Remember? It was Bondo's hysterical conspiratorial quote where he cried: "That's their Plan, to attack, 'n try to destroy Our 2nd amendment Rights..." I also recall you chiming in with a pat on the back agreement.

Is this still your belief?

 

The attitude of the current Administration is most certainly anti-Second Amendment.

 

Then my previous comment stands; "The "real reading and research", that can't actually be produced or verified? No thanks, I'll stick to the unbiased and verifiable variety"

If you want to hang your hat on conspiracy theories, then good luck with that.

 

You just need to do a little reading and research, rather than just watching CNN and network news.

 

Lol, here is Obama stating that 90% of the guns recovered in Mexico came from the U.S. Not traced. I have to hand it to Obama though, he was ambiguous enough that most people would believe the 90% myth, but still left himself with enough deniability to say that's not what he really meant.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgkh_1sgFrs"]YouTube - Obama Perpetuates The '90 Percent Of Mexico's Weapons Come From The U.S.' Lie -- In Mexico![/ame]

This same 90% line was repeated by others as you well know. Only after they were called out on the BS that the ATF finally clarified that it was traced guns.

And where did I ever mention 17%? Now you're putting words in my mouth.

It's no secret that the U.S. supplies the Mexican military with weapons to aid in the war vs drug cartels. Of course the Mexican soldiers have a high desertion rate and they take their weapons with them. A fact conveniently ignored by many.

 

Oh, yes. The "reading and research" that can't be confirmed or verified.

If you have proof of your conspiracy theory, then produce it. If not..............

 

First of all, you had claimed that the ATF, not our president had mislead our citizens. Remember? You erroneously said:

"ATF falsely proclaimed to the media that 90% of guns in Mexico come from the U.S."
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The ATF did not say that, as I correctly pointed out to you. Do you want to show contrition and admit to your error now?

Secondly, when the President talked of "recovered" guns, there can be little doubt as to what he was inferring. You are only attempting to create a controversy where one does not previously exist.

I merely assumed, based on your close rhetorical ties to the NRA rote, that you had also assumed their 17% figure. Do you actually believe the number to be greater than this?

 

It's not a conspiracy theory. Liberals are against the second amendment. They do not want people to have guns. Obama and his Administration is anti-second amendment. Just gotta Google it.

Thanks God the Supreme Court is 5-4 in favor of gun rights. I just pray that they all stay in good health, and do not retire, under Obama's watch.

 

Being in favour of optimal gun control isn't anti-gun. Its pro-liberty and therefore encompasses liberal and various non-liberal positions

 

Ayuh,... And the stated goals of the leftwing loony's "optimal gun control", is No guns for anybody, But themselves...

 

This is just rant. Please try and compose a grown up response

 

Legal limitations are actually pro liberty? That is some liberal double talk for ya.

 

Optimal gun control is every adult, other than convicted felons or the profoundly mentally disturbed, having a gun and carrying it.

 

"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" only works if you paint your house black! A liberty based approach must obviously consider coercion. That approach, by definition, will lead to gun control