Ranked Vote: How To Enact Immigration Reform? (Consolidated)

I really don't see why this is even an issue.

We have a border and we need to make it so people can't cross it.

We need to seek out and Deport anyone here illegally.

America has a system for becoming a citizen and if you want to become a citizen all you have to do is go through the steps. Every other Civilized Nation makes people do this.

The only people trying to complicate the issue are the people trying to give out passes.

 

I did read others.

 

Let's try this a different way.

You know that I am for a secure border, immigration laws to be followed, and all illegals to be reported and deported.

If you do not completely agree, try to steer me right.

 

I have been tangling with something making me feel ill.

Rather than post feeling ill, I chose to not say much.

I wish to add to the commentary this story.

My sisters daughter married a Mexican. Actually though they live together, he decided apparently some years ago to cheat on her. She told me he has fathered children by other women and is currently with a woman, though she also says he has not left the family home. She is in a pickle. This might not represent a lot of the Mexicans so i wish to relay only what he told me in person. And it has nothing to do with him cheating.

He showed up as an illegal. We never discussed how he got into this country. I sold them 2 homes. As family I did not feel the need to pry very much. My niece wanted to marry him and perhaps his desire lay more in his desire to live here as opposed to having a loyal marriage. I always wondered how he managed to take a lot of trips back to mexico so perhaps that is where those women are. Who knows if he plans to bring any of them here and perhaps get them to be citizens. I know that they had very troubled financial times during Obama's era in office. They lost a lot of value in the last home I sold them. During Bush, the value really rose fast.

So we have a nieces husband and their children. So would i want him deported and their children deported too?

First during Reagan he became a US citizen and of course by birth here in CA, the children are citizens. So of course I do not want them deported.

Here is my most salient point and it is his point more than my point.

At my office one day, I asked him directly what to do about the illegal aliens. He looked at me and said if up to him, he would send them all back. The problem during Reagan was not nearly so severe. Today I am positive the Mexicans do vote in our elections and of course our state Democrats deny they vote. Careful examination of the paperwork to register shows a huge hole in the system you can float an aircraft carrier through. It is not hard to vote, it is extremely easy. It is true the children born here become automatic citizens. This is such an open door that they make use of that door to leverage for the adults.

We can't just have laws applying to a few while others walk through that door to flaunt the law of this land. I think once he understood the constitution, that is why he said to me, send them back and have them obey the laws first.

My comments on him and his wife and cheating was only to add color to this dialogue and not to make it seem being Mexican means you will cheat on the wife .... and of course cheating on mom is also cheating on his children.

 

@Robert My born here Mexican American nurse was not appreciative of illegals.
I was surprised. But, she explained to me they move into n'hoods near her's and dilute her children's schools. She now lives just across the border from Santa Ana, in Tustin.

 

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For me immigration is one of those combo issues. It is a combination of economics (supply and demand of labor) and humanitarian. So one of the major issues we have is a disconnect between the labor supply and the amount of visas. Fix that, BUT massively increase the penalties for using illegal labor. I'm not just talking fines, but actual criminal time for the executives. The executives are stealing from both American and Migrant workers and need to be treated as such. Second, the visa overstay issue: find ways to combat this. This is where the majority of those who are in our country come from who are not legal immigrants. Third, work to end the ability of gangs, cartels and traffickers to enter the country. Fourth, increase the amount of workers in border security and the immigration law courts so that people are quickly and efficiently either deported or granted asylum.

 

What TheGreatSatan said.

 

What happened to Jesus is when the crash hit, he was a road repair boss. His company laid him off. He learned they used illegals to do jobs. Naturally he knew it was to save them money.

He lost his excellent tri level home of about 2600 sq foot that he had spent $145,000 down payment on. He lost all that equity due to not having his income. While he did collect unemployment till it ran out, his wife took a bus driving job to try to have food. She busses children to school. Her income did not support the family. When he finally got work, often it forced him to drive too many miles to work. Fuel prices kept going up so that cost him a lot.

 

Well, apparently you wish them to not be able to land a job. Since they would have to first land one from say in Mexico. Actually Mexicans have a deal to come in legally, work for a period of time and return for a period then rinse and repeat.

It amazes me that people subscribe to them here yet want bosses punished for hiring them. I guess it means welfare in some fashion then for illegals.

 

And that's why a job with the post office is seemingly under valued.
And diversity counts towards getting hired.

 

There is no point to them coming here and not getting a job. Punishing employers is a fine way to keep them in Mexico, if only the congress would make a law like that. No doubt faced with prosecution no employer wants to be put in jail nor pay fines just so some illegal gets approved when it is the illegal breaking laws.

To ramp up the agencies that much seems to admit we have an open border policy.

 

There should be room for sponsorship visas too.
Meaning I might prove I have enough "net worth" to sponsor someone to
promising they will be a legal, productive addition or I lose some of my worth.
Especially for the cost of any police activity or court costs.


I seem to remember in the way back time, my uncle would sponsor Japanese students.


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Thanks for the suggestion. I passed it along to my niece.