Rebuilding of Jerusalem Third Temple may be least expensive way to stabilize climate?

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Do you believe that the rebuilding of the Jerusalem Third Temple will occur in...?

  1. Probably within a century or two!

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  2. Never, Bible prophecy is false and misleading.

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  3. Perhaps within decades, we truly are in a new age of spirituality!

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  4. Perhaps by the year 3030, three days/3000 years from the resurrection of Jesus!

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  5. I don't know enough about this subject to comment!

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  6. Hey, this is a good way to prove that God does not exist!

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    Crikey. Talk about Indiana Jones.

    No-one knows where the Ark is, or even if it still exists. If either of those propositions were correct the Ark would be on display. It would be a rallying point for all Jews, and even Christians and Islam. All for different reasons. The last suggestion of the fate of the Ark is in 3 Ezra (Not in the Bible). This tells us that the Babylonians probably removed at the vessels from the Temple and took them a their 'loot'.

    Aarons rod that budded. If you care to read 2 Chron. 5:10 there was only the 2 tablets put there by Moses when Solomon moved it. The rod had been 'lost' or removed. It no longer bore any significance. Any horticulturalist will tell you that a 'rod'
    removed from its roots may bud, even flower briefly, but unless planted in soil to grow roots that's all it will do before dying.
    A rod in a box will have neither soil, air or light to grow. Almond trees have a lifespan of about 25 years.

    If you leave out the court of the gentiles, which would make sense as the gentiles religion is "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit".
    Gentiles are all non-Jews - not just Christians.

    What is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit in the Tanakh? Blasphemy is defined as using Gods name as a 'swear' word, cursing God, as in Leviticus 24.
    We can't get a definition of the 'Holy Spirit' in the Tanakh as the role of the Spirit is usually put down to God. The word for spirit can also mean 'wind' or 'breath of air'.

    And oddly enough, they are the sowers of discord among the sons of Abraham. They call everybody an antichrist who doesn't love them.

    1.Christians do not call the sons of Abraham the antichrist.
    2.If there is discord among the sons of Abraham it could be because of doubt. A group of people convinced of their cause will be united.

    The problem is the jesus satans, when it comes to the temple, the mid east politics, and everything in between.

    May I point out that the middle east was reasonably controlled by the Arabs and any wars were usually among themselves, until the Jews demanded a homeland. Since then the Christian West have tried to support, defend and arm the Jews. The west has only stepped in and commented in cases of excess
     
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    Strangely enough Moses 'nicked' most of his laws from previous or current (with Moses) codes and laws of other civilisations. If your read ancient history and codes Moses offers little new. And if you carefully read Church history, not from the Church's viewpoint only, but secular viewpoints you may become aware just how the Church 'civilised' the world. If you are prepared to read honestly it is not always 'pretty' reading.
     
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    You don't need a coronation stone. Yahushua stood on top of the western wall and said "tear down this temple and in three days I will raise it back up again. If you measure the temple stones in the western wall and compare the dimensions to the prophet Ezekiels measurements, you will see that the new temple could easily be rebuilt in 3 days, simply by lifting them off the wall and setting them in place on the temple mount. That way you would not break a branch from the rod of Aaron that budded. That greenery growing out of the wall is the rod of Aaron, it has been slowly growing since it was put in the Ark, and now it has grown out of the ark and is all over the wall. But if you just pull the face-stone off and try to take out the ark, you will break branches. If you dismantle the wall from top down and build the temple as you dismantle the wall, it could be done in 3 days.
     
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    A hole has already been drilled in the back of the western wall, and the ark is there. The ark with the poles to carry it were ten feet long. You can see a ten foot wide stone in the wall, with 2 smaller stones above it - where the angels on the mercy would be. And the greenery of Aarons rod grow from there. The ark was put near the bottom row because if you tear down a stone wall, you can only tear it down halfway because debris piles up. So even if the Romans were to tear down the wall, Jeremiah knew that they would have top clear debris to tear down the rest of it. The fact that the ark was hidden down low in the wall is what kept the Romans from finding it.

    YAH said that he would rebuild his house, and the hands of Zerrubabel [means born in Babylon] would finish it. Zerubbabel could do that simple by "writing" a letter and ordering the construction. The stones are the same size as Ezekiel said, so you can use the stones from the western wall as you dismantle it, and they would be prophetically accurate. The sound of an iron tool is forbidden on the ark, so if you use pre cut stones, no sound of a hammer would be heard.
    You could simply set a crane on the temple mount and lift the stones into place. Save Aarons rod, and retrieve the ark.
     
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    Your drivel isn't worth responding to. Any rod that parts the red sea, and all the miracles in Egypt, could easily still continue to grow. It is a supernatural rod.
    And blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is attributing the hand of God to satan, and the hand of satan to God. Much like Pat Robertson and Benny Hinn, and Oral Roberts and such. Millions of Holy Spirit blasphemers send Robertson 20 bucks a month and a prayer request, then they tune in to listen to pat pray, hoping to hear a word from the "Holy Spirit". And the Holy Spirit doesn't knock people down when Benny blows on them, its blasphemy, if if jesus gets the glory. And jesus waqsn't invented until 1526 by Tyndale. Whom was burned at the stake for heresy.

    Yahushua said "I have come IN MY FATHERS NAME", AND YOU REJECT ME. Yah is the Father, and Yahushua means YAH IS SALVATION. like it or not, jesus is not salvation. YAHushua contains both the NAME of God and the promise of salvation.
    jesus means nothing in any language. Maybe "earth pig" in latin.
     
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    America is mystery Babylon the great. Full of every foul spirit, the mother of all harlots, and has the world drunk on the wine of her fornication.
    Televangelists have the world drunk on this born again doctrine of demons. They are the last days "false anointed ones and false prophets, that deceive the whole world. For whom hell was formed.
     
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    So the same God who creates with the word of his mouth all things - sun, moon, stars, animals, angels, and so on, isn't powerful enough to say "be" and have Marys egg fill with blood and Yahushua "become". ?
    Man is the work of his hands, made from the dust of the earth, and with the breath of life. Yet you think God can't just will Christ into being?

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    The temple will most likely be built when a suitable red heifer is born. Everything else is in place, and the ark is known to be sitting in the wall.
     
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    No need to see through walls. When the theory was first put forward, Hillary Clinton immediately went to the western wall, declared she was jewish, and held a handheld spectrometer against the wall to check for a cavity, covertly so.
    The presence of a cavity led to some sneaks going to the walkway behind the wall and drilling a peek hole and stuck a arthroscope in there to see the ark. The problem is the lack of a perfect red heifer to purify the temple.
     
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    I'm pleased to see my drivel isn't worth replying to but you have. By the way I'm not a christian, agnostic perhaps. I don't accept Jesus was the Messiah, but a teacher.

    I see you've ignored Jewish scriptures, and everything I've posted

    No rod in the Ark. No Ark etc. etc.
    No Ark.

    And blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is attributing the hand of God to satan A Christian doctrine.

    Though the name Jesus was not around as such due to the lack of the letter J in the English language until the 15th century, the person certainly was known through the early scriptures.

    Have you read the OT - Tanakh.

    As to whether my post, or yours, is drivel I leave up to others who may read it.
     
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    jesus wasn't ever uttered until Tyndale invented the name. If you ever read the scriptures, or do a word search, you will find that the NAME is of the utmost importance. And the Tanakh doesn't impress me one bit.
    And Yahushua himself told us what blasphemy of the the Holy Spirit is.

    If you are one of the ones who give glory to jesus for people falling down aty a benny hinn crusade, then you are a blasphemer, even if you give the glory [blame] to jesus.
    If you actually knew the NAME OF YAH, AND THE NAME OF YAHUSHUA, AND WHAT IT MEANS, YOU WOULD NOT LET JESUS COME OUT OF YOUR MOUTH. YAHUSHUA MEANS "YAH IS SALVATION".

    That was in English, did you get it?
     
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    Covertly so? How come you know about it.

    And I thought the Red heifer was to purify the priests, not the Temple. You could correct me on this if I'm wrong.
    I know the blood of sacrifice was sprinkled on the curtains of the Holy of Holies on the day of Atonement, but the red heifer and the Temple?
     
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    I'm not a Christian either. that means Christ-like, and I am not christlike.
    As for Messiah, Isaiah 45 tells us that YAH himself chose King Cyrus of Persia as Israels Messiah, and Yahushua is the Messiah of the whole world.
    Messiah means "anointed one", and jesus satans are the false anointed ones, and their religion is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Its what they do and who they are. I don't give a rats ass if they try to give jesus the credit for their blasphemy or not.
    Yahushua never said it was okay to blaspheme the Holy Spirit as long as you try to give him the glory or credit, or blame, for it.

    You will notice that Yahushua strictly warned us not to be deceived by the jesus satans. Why? because you cannot be forgiven, in this life or the next. That's why the jesus way is the wide gate and broad way to destruction that many find.
     
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    How come I know about it? And you think I would tell you that?
    It was widely reported, with video, of Hillary at the wall telling everybody it was okay because she just found out she is jewish.
    I found out later that she had a hand held spectrometer to detect a cavity behind that particular stone.
    The rod of Aaron was the branch of an almond tree. Read Jeremiah and see that very early in the book YAH tells him to "dig into the wall", and talks about seeing an almond branch bud and flower.

    Common sense will tell you that Jeremiah was serious about Israel being sacked by the Babylonians after they beat Egypt in northern Israel around 597 bc. No way was he going to allow the ark to be taken. He wouldn't ever take it from the temple mount. The only thing to do was dig in the wall and hide the ark from the coming evil, then return and take the facestone off and retrieve the ark.
     
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    Cyrus and Isaiah. Nothing special there. If you know your ancient history you will know that Cyrus started off as King of a small state and over the next 20 years gradually extended his kingdom, until he conquered Babylon itself.
    Cyrus was probably the most benevolent eastern emperor ever. A great many scholars and archaeologists credit him with the first human rights declaration ever - written between 539-530.
    Because you only read the Bible you get a one-sided view of things. The Bible doesn't tell you of the other exiles he freed. Did God raise him to be their Messiah too?
    Cyrus allowed conquered nations to serve their own gods. So the Jews were allowed back to Jerusalem, and other captives (exiles) probably returned to their own places.
    One other thing. The Jews and their counterparts in other nations were never free. Cyrus allowed them a certain amount of autonomy in government, but they were always ruled by a Satrap (Guardian of the Realm) and troops at hand. So, in truth, Cyrus was never a Messiah. The Jews simply went from having a hard taskmaster (Babylonians) to having a more benevolent one (Cyrus).

    And if Cyrus was their Messiah why did God allow them to go under the cosh again when the Greeks took over.
     
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    Oh come now. Please. What is your point? So Cyrus was benevolent and didn't play god police.
    Messiah means "anointed one", someone who is appointed by YAH to help, deliver, rescue a people.
    Cyrus learned of the 150 year old prophesy from Isaiah that named Cyrus by name, and said "even though you don't know me, I help your right hand".

    I'd be willing to bet you almost anything that when Cyrus heard that, he recalled a time when a man held his right hand. And I'm willing to believe that he believed that the man was God himself- and maybe rightly so.
    The Isaiah 45 prophesy says that YAH would expand his borders too.
    Israel was indeed free, and their treasures were returned.

    And if Cyrus was their messiah why did God allow them to go under the cosh again when the Greeks took over? Huh? WTF?
    When did the Greeks lead Israel into captivity and sack the temple? The Romans sacked the temple in 70 ad, but even they didn't lead the nation of Israel into captivity. I don't know what "under the cosh again" means.

    When Israel was freed from Babylon, a bunch of fake jews left with them, Samaritans. And Israel picked up some fake gods in Babylon too.

    And who cares if you are ruled by a satrap, king, president, pope, or dictator - you are still governed.
     
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    That's only your opinion.

    'Digging' in Jeremiah has nothing to do with the Ark that I am aware of. A chamber yes. Full of worshippers of false gods. Or escaping from Jerusalem. Ezekiel has similar thoughts.

    'I SEE THE BRANCH OF AN ALMOND TREE'. JEREMIAH 1:11.
    The Lord said to me 'You have seen correctly, for I am watching to see my word is fulfilled'.

    It is picture language. The almond tree is the first to come to life in the spring. It watches all that is happening. Jeremiah is shown that he is awake and God confirms this and goes on to say that he/God is watching future events. The root of the Hebrew word Almond means wake or watch.
    Jeremiah 'sees' a boiling pot tilting from the north.

    Jeremiah does not see with his eyes.
     
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    Cyrus claimed that Marduk ordered him to become ruler of the world, and to treat the Babylonians with justice. He reports making offerings in the Temple of Marduk. The Jews thought of him as a Messiah, the Babylonians as the appointed of Marduk and the Persians called him their Father.

    As I say, you only think one way.

    Read the History of the Maccabees and their conflict with the Greeks who tried to impose Hellenisation on them, and the desecration of the Temple by the Greeks

    Under the cosh means being suppressed.

    The 'fake Jews' had nothing to do with the Babylonians. They were sent to Palestine around 150 years earlier by the Assyrians who conquered Israel, the northern kingdom.

    My point exactly. They were not free as you would think a Messiah would make them.
     
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    My wife is truly born again and she is one of the most powerfully Holy Spirit guided people that I ever met in my life!!!!!

    I deeply regret those times when I tended to look down on the Born Again movement just because I attempted to observe the Jewish weekly and annual Sabbaths and attempt to avoid obviously unclean foods............. My wife's humility seems to get her a closer relationship with The G-d of Abraham/YHWH and Messiah Yeshua/ Jesus than I have.... at least in a lot of ways.........
    Knowledge tends to puff us up............. but G-d gives GRACE to the humble!!!!


    1Cr 8:1


    Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.
     
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    America has the opportunity to turn around completely!


    http://www.christianforums.com/t7681942/

    Do you believe a massive Holy Spirit tsunami is coming?

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    Personally I love the idea put forward by a pastor in Uganda that when we Christians support and respect the Jewish people more as they play their role in bringing back Messiah, the Holy Spirit will be poured out unlike ever before in history!

    That makes a lot of sense to me!




    ......................................................…
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    ...… This prediction by Mr. Eporu Ronald Alfred sure fits with what Pastor Rick was shown:

    The Great Tsunami by Rick Joyner | MorningStar Prophetic Bulletins 2011
    http://www.morningstarministries.org/resources/prophetic-bulletins/2011/great-tsunami

     
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    Our Nigerian Pastor friend has it wrong again. 2 Peter 3:8. Peter does not say Gods day IS a thousand years. It is LIKE a thousand years. This is a simile to show that God is outside of time. Because God created time itself.

    Peter says ' BUT DO NOT BE FORGETFUL FRIENDS......... (or recall) what the Psalmist says (90:6). 'For a thousand years in your sight are LIKE a day gone by, or LIKE a watch in the night'. 2 different periods of short or longer time.
    Psalm 119:148 'My eyes stay open through the watches of the night, that I might meditate on your promises'. 1 night = thousand years?
    If God's day is a thousand years, then the earth was created in 6000 years, and if you believe that.......

    Haggai refers to the 2nd Temple. He was around at the dedication of the Temple after Cyrus death.
     
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    Good post!!!!

    A Christian near death experiencer also stated that 24 hours earth time..... time as seen in the fourth dimensional space-time continuum..... seems like a thousand years when viewed from the point of view of the higher dimensions........ Messiah Jesus/ Yeshua has not been placed in a position where there are so many tables for him to wait on .... that he is ran off his feet???!!!!!!



    Luke 12:37


    Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.
     
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    Last time I had a near death experience was when my ex wife through a saucer at me. I ducked just in time.:hiding:
     
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    First of all, your wife isn't "truly" born again. When Yashushua used that term to Nicodemus, he was talking about entering heaven. FLESH AND BLOOD CANNOT ENTER HEAVEN. You need to be born of water [from your mothers womb], which gives you your flesh and blood. Then when you die, you are born of spirit in the spirit world - only spirit enters heaven. What is flesh and blood is of this world, what is spirit is of the spirit world.
    Your blasphemous born again religion is nothing more than blasphemy of the Holy Spirit of YAH.
    Yahushua said " the Holy Spirit will come in MY NAME." THE HOLY SPIRIT NEVER HAS AND NEVER WILL COME IN JESUS NAME.

    You and your wife are the people that Yahushua warned us about. In the last days, many false anointed ones will come saying "I am anointed" and deceive many, SEE TO IT THAT YOU ARE NOT DECIEVED............. BLASPHEMY OF THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL NEVER BE FORGIVEN.

    So, who are these false anointed ones? Well, the ONLY suspects are jesus satans. No other people claim to be born again and anointed by the Holy Spirit, IN A NAME THAT WAS NEVER UTTERED UNTIL IT WAS INVENTED TO REPLACE THE NAME OF YAH AND YAHUSHUA.

    Since the jesus satans claim to be the anointed ones, and they have none of the signs that accompany Holy Spirit people - like LOVE, POWER, AND A SOUND MIND, then you people are clearly the satans. Your lying signs and wonders, fake healing, fake words of knowledge, and blasphemy of the Holy Spirit has exposed you. YOU WERE SENT A SPIRIT OF STRONG DELUSION - THAT IS THE SPIRIT YOUR WIFE HAS.!
    IT WAS SENT TO YOU BECAUSE YAH APPOINTED YOU FOR DESTRUCTION WHEN YOU REJECTED YAH AND YAHUSHUA AND CHOSE SATAN[JESUS]. YOU LOVE YOUR JESUS LIE BECAUSE YAH DOESN'T CARE IF YOU REPENT.

    AND IF YOU ARE A JESUS PERSON, PLEASE DON'T TRY TO JOIN THE SAINTS OF YAHUSHUA. YOU CAN'T BE FORGIVEN, AND PRAYING FOR YOU WON'T HELP.

    JUST RETURN TO YOUR FIRST LOVE AND BURN FOR YOUR BLASPHEMY. I'M SICK AND TIRED OF YOU JESUS FALSE PROPHETS TRYING TO USE THE NAME OF YAHUSHUA AND CALLING HIM YAHUSHUA/JESUS. YOU WERE A FALSE ANOINTED JESUS SATAN, NOW YOU TRY TO BE A FALSE ANOINTED SATAN WHO USES HIS REAL NAME, BUT YOU CANT REPENT, SO YOU SAY YAHUSHUA/JESUS. DOUBLE MINDED DEVILS.

    THE PEOPLE OF YAHUSHUA DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOU FALSE ANOINTED ONES WITH A SPIRIT OF STRONG DELUSION.
    YOU ARE SOOTH SAYERS, DIVINERS, MEDIUMS, AND OTHER DEVILS PLAYING LIKE YOU ARE HOLY.

    YOU DEVILS FAKE LOVE, FAKE A SOUND MIND, AND FAKE POWER.
     
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    I'm a student of scripture and history. Isaiah 45 carries weight and holds water in my mind. Isaiah 45:1 -" The Lord says this to Cyrus, HIS ANOINTED.
    [HIS ANOINTED MEANS : HIS MESSIAH] VERSES 3,4,5,6,7 ARE COHERENT.

    I am acutely aware that Persia, Babylon, Egypt, Rome, Greece, and even Israel had many gods.
    In verse 5 Yah says "I will strengthen you, EVEN THOUGH YOU DO NOT KNOW ME."
     
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    Your born again movement is rooted in seducing spirits and blasphemy. You use a mysterious verse I Johns gospel as a blank check for blasphemy.
    All those seducing spirits and televangelists are lying devils.
    Angels - good and bad ones - are the word of YAH's mouth made spirit. They live and have lived in the presence of YAH for millions of years. They know how to pretend to be holy.
    You jesus satans don't even understand what the problem is. The problem is that YAH was grieved at his heart for making man, not angels. He repented for making man, not angels. The atoned for man, not angels.
    Now man can enter heaven and be served by angels.
    Satan and his don't like that, YAH didn't repent for making them, they didn't make YAH weep because he was grieved at his heart for making them. Satan says "why should we serve man, YAH never wept, repented, or atoned for making us"?
    That's the problem - the atonement. Satan and his ain't bying it. They don't need it. They reject the work on the cross because it wasn't meant for them.
    YAH's response to that rebellion is to make the least the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. That's how serious he takes that work on the cross.

    You jesus people are the satans, and hell was made for you Holy Spirit Blasphemers. You can't be forgiven, and you love your jesus lie because YAH sent you a spirit of STRONG delusion because you are appointed for destruction. You are going thru the wide gate and broad way that leads to destruction. John called it the sin unto death and said he doesn't recommend anyone pray for you.
    Your jesus lie was born in 1526, which makes it merely an old lie.
     
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