Report: Federal Agents Try to Show Ease of Illegal Online Gun Purchases, Fail in All 72 Attempts

yet there is no proof that there was causation. the USA dropped the waiting period for gun purchases in 1998 and guess what, the violent crime level continued to decrease.

 

But evidence dies nit matter with many on the pro gun side

 

what does that mean?

 

Obviously, you haven't been keeping up on the latest research regarding waiting periods.

"State laws that require people to wait a few days before purchasing firearms reduce gun-related homicides by 17%, new research shows....

"The researchers found the same 17% reduction in gun homicides in states that got new waiting periods following the Brady Act, plus a 6% reduction in gun suicides."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/hbswor...hundreds-of-homicides-each-year/#7a6a25864ee9

 

They cling to their false beliefs despite what the evidence says.

 

actually I am on top of all those studies and I know the bias when I see it. that study flies in the face of reality as I have documented

here are people who are not affected by a waiting period (BTW there is no evidence the NATIONAL waiting period imposed in 1993-9 did a damn thing to decrease HOMICIDES (Duke Study)

1) felons who bought or obtained their guns through theft, black market sales or barter or straw purchasers are not affected by waiting periods

2) people who already owned a gun prior to trying to buy a gun pursuant to the waiting period. the anti gun movement claims almost all the new guns bought recently went to prior gun owners, not new buyers

3) those who killed with a gun they bought 3 days or so BEFORE the murder

now we know that 80% or more of murders with guns are committed by those who cannot legally own a gun. So a waiting period-at best, Could theoretically apply to 20% of the remaining killers

yet that 20% includes all those people who already had guns or who bought their murder weapon 3 days or more before the killing

so that leaves what? 1-3% of the murder suspects? so how in God's name could that stupid study you cite even make it past a common sense review?

 

I realize I doubt I will get an answer-but how can any researcher PROVE a crime was not committed as a result of a law?

think that through really carefully.

 

So, false beliefs plus Voodoo math = fictitious statistics.

There is no formula besides a spurious relationship, between actual events ie suicide and final statistics as proof that the listed percentages actually reflect true data.

In other words, look, this year we have 6% fewer suicides by firearms, waiting periods save lives !

Lets ignore suicide by substitution, hanging does not count, nor does death by poisons, drugs, jumping or leaping to ones death etc.....
Disengenuous at best.

 

A loophole doesn’t exist. Private sales are exempted by law at the moment from BCs. Thus it’s not a loophole, but the law works as written.

 

Prove it.

 

On both ends.
With a federal background check.
Else, a federal felony has been committed.
Even when a private sale is involved.

 

Everyone knows is it impossible to legally avoid the background checks prescribed by federal law.
Thus, everyone knows there is no loophole.
Everyone.

 

What box that is marked private sale?

 

Please show your evidence.

 

Well, the study said they bought from people they knew, not necessarily friends.

 

Upper right hand side. Its right there

 

So?

 

I can buy a gun 72 times without a BC just by checking private sale and the other party agreeing to that

 

I'll go with what the preponderance of evidence indicates. Do you have any examples of a closure of the private sale loophole leading to more gun crime?

 

You are more interested in arguing semantics than in saving lives. You can call it what you want, but the fact is that many criminals are exploiting unregulated private sales to obtain guns.

 

They're exploiting regulated sales to obtain guns, too, through straw purchases and FFL diversions. A UBC will not force criminals to stop selling to other criminals at all. Direct access to NICS will allow good guy sellers to screen out bad guy buyers, though.

 

But only if they choose to use it. Not nearly good enough

 

FO on the saving lives faux concern, if it was a concern, you’d advocate for the NICS to be made available for use in private sales. It’s not semantics; it’s not a loophole because you don’t like the standing law. Without registration, requiring UBCs for private sales is meaningless, a fact known in Congress reflected in the Feds not backing BC’s for private sales...they’d have to dump the law restricting the feds from creating a registration system.

 

Yeah lets do that

 

you cannot prove either way. the claim that preventing private sales does anything positive is faith based