Rick Santorum says, "Vote for Ron Paul" to Limited Government question...

"The Black Swan" author Nassim Taleb Cheers Ron Paul's Economic Platform on CNBC

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6s8a6H7Qts"]"The Black Swan" author Nassim Taleb Cheers Ron Paul's Economic Platform on CNBC - YouTube[/ame]

"You have to start with government budget that is in control. You start with that, it's an unconditional. You don't gamble with future generations money. You don't gamble with hyperinflation.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/nass...the-economy-and-ron-paul-2012-3#ixzz1p20scZuy

 

it shows that states don't have to power to declare anything legal tender, that right belongs to congress via the constitution

section 10 enumerates what states can't do, not what they can

lots of authors are looking for know-nothings to pander to

 

It seems our disagreement is based around the definition of "money". You are saying the states can't have their own "money", because the states can't "regulate the value" of it. The value is tied to the metal, not the state's say-so. So a state can't make fiat money, only real money. If the US government were so bound,no doubt the dollar would not have lost 98% of its worth. Money to me and to the classical and Austrian schools, is a thing with real, inherent value; to you and other Keynsians, it is an idea to be manipulated. Regardless, the issue was Ron Paul's reference to this section of the constitution. Paul, as stated, proposes alternate currency. He says "only gold and silver are legal" becuase he proposes that the states take the Constitution up on its offer, and make gold and silver money (which, in a competitive situation, would walk all over the dollar, as the dollar devalues constantly over time, but the state currencies would be relatively stable).

 

no, i'm saying the constitution says states have no say in declaring what's legal tender, only congress does

 

Do people in this country really want 50 different currencies? What for?

 

no, gold salesmen are just highly motivated to sell gold at hugely inflated prices and they've been plying the world with misinformation/propaganda for centuries


for example: in regards to the federal reserve act, these propagandists say that president wilson said, "I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is now controlled by its system of credit. We are no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

it's not at all true, it's a fabricated misquote and wilson was proud of his work to pass the federal reserve act

of course there are masses of know-nothings around that eat this stuff up


The unhappiness of Woodrow Wilson

Did the president lament the day he "unwittingly ruined" his country by creating the Federal Reserve?

BY ANDREW LEONARD


Did Woodrow Wilson bitterly regret his role in creating the Federal Reserve? Some readers of my post yesterday on Ron Paul and the Federal Reserve believe so. Two of them proffered an identical quote as evidence.

I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world — no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.

On the hundreds of Web sites on which this quote appears, it is typically taken as proof of Wilson’s remorse at handing over control of the nation’s money supply to a cabal of Wall Street money men. A common framing: “Woodrow Wilson signed into effect the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. And said the following just six years later.” Even the Wikipedia page for Woodrow Wilson includes the quote, as proof that “Historians generally agree that Wilson hated the Federal reserve, and it made him, by his own word, “a most unhappy man…”

Frequency of repetition doesn’t make for reliable sourcing, however, and convincing documentary evidence that Wilson uttered such words, in reference to his role creating the Federal Reserve, is hard to come by. In fact, the available evidence suggests that the quote is an after-the-fact fabrication made by splicing together passages of different Wilson statements that have nothing at all to do with the Federal Reserve.

continued at: http://www.salon.com/2007/12/21/woodrow_wilson_federal_reserve/

 

NWO impossible with gold standard?

 

more like the nwo is just impossible, new world disorder is reality

 

Liar.

it gives congress (not the fed) the power to regulate the value of money / weights and measures.

the commerce clause means congress gets to set uniform weights and measures for the states so that they do not have all different measures of coins.

 

Rick Santorum still said "Vote for Ron Paul" if you want limited government...

 

congress regulates the value of money through the fed

this may come as a surprise to you, but it's the 21st century now, not the 18th

gold as legal tender is obsolete, much like the 3/5's compromise

let me help you out here

the guy in the video, santorum was talking to, was acting like a nut, so santorum said, you should vote for ron paul, because if course, ron paul is a nut case

 

The Congress doesn't have the control you believe it does considering the Federal Reserve is a Private Bank and they give out Loans, swap currencies & Bail out failing businesses. At times without giving any sort of knowledge to the Congress of their actions.

That is by far one of the poor arguments I've ever seen. Since we're in a different century you believe that having currency based off of something that is finite to be similar to that of the 3/5s Compromise when it comes to Blacks. Lol... Pulling the "Racist Card!" to those who wish to base their savings on something real rather than something imaginary goes to show how low of a person you are.

Asking questions is a form of being a nut? Speaking your mind is a form of being a nut? God (*)(*)(*)(*) considering your constant trolling and idiotic remarks you must be the biggest nut here.

 

just so i know, how much control do i believe congress has?

 

Fabrication. A1S10 clearly says that they are allowed to declare gold and silver to be legal tender.

"No State shall...make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts..."

Fabrication. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that Congress has the power to declare legal tender. You have been asked multiple times to provide proof to the contrary and you have failed to do so. The reason is because you are full of (*)(*)(*)(*). As expected.

Sure. They're not allowed to make anything but gold and silver tender.

 

He who owns the gold makes the rules. If we ever run into a situation where the IMF/World Bank SDRs are declared to be legal tender in all major countries in the world, that effectively makes the IMF/World Bank the root of a one world government.

Hardly an impossibility, considering the US Dollar is fiat, and all fiat currencies have failed throughout history.

 

Regardless of whether or not the Wilson quote is true, the US is now controlled by its system of credit.

 

That's exactly what the framers of the Federal Reserve System intended from the start. It's a finely tuned machine operating in the interest of the cartel.

 

what do you mean by "its system of credit"

 

"Give me control of a nations money supply, and I care not who makes it’s laws"

Amschel Rothchild

 

do you think one day somebody might go to the grocery store and buy milk with an sdr?

good example: he died in 1812, he's not controlling anything

 

"History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance." - James Madison

 

which is why congress took control of credit away from the 'money trust' by creating the federal reserve banking system

 

Another dujac .. Duuuuuhhhhhhooooppphhhhh.

It is those who control the money supply that have the power.

 

Yes .. so it is the Fed, rather than Congress who has power over Government.

 

who controls the money supply? name names

can you read or do you just not know what the 'money trust' was?