Rick Santorum says, "Vote for Ron Paul" to Limited Government question...

All based on assumptions.

Just go read the rules for each state on how the delegates will be assigned.

 

Can anyone find a link on the estimation of delegates in 2008 and eventual outcome for comparison? My guess is it's at least somewhat accurate.

 

i've done that many times over the last 45 years, many of the media sources reporting delegate counts have much more experience than that

your guess is correct

 

"No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility."

"No Shate shall... make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts"

Hopefully the enlarged text helps you understand the States cannot use FIAT money and by doing it is completely illegal. Notice the words "Payment of Debts"? That means that to pay off a Debt a State must use Gold and/or Silver.

Tender: An offer to carry out work, supply goods, or buy land, shares, or another asset at a stated fixed price.
Debt: Something that is owed, such as money, goods, or services
Gold: Symbol Au A soft, yellow, corrosion-resistant element, the most malleable and ductile metal, occurring in veins and alluvial deposits and recovered by mining or by panning or sluicing. A good thermal and electrical conductor, gold is generally alloyed to increase its strength, and it is used as an international monetary standard, in jewelry, for decoration, and as a plated coating on a wide variety of electrical and mechanical components. Atomic number 79; atomic weight 196.967; melting point 1,063.0°C; boiling point 2,966.0°C; specific gravity 19.32; valence 1, 3.
Silver: Symbol Ag A lustrous white, ductile, malleable metallic element, occurring both uncombined and in ores such as argentite, having the highest thermal and electrical conductivity of the metals. It is highly valued for jewelry, tableware, and other ornamental use and is widely used in coinage, photography, dental and soldering alloys, electrical contacts, and printed circuits. Atomic number 47; atomic weight 107.87; melting point 960.8°C; boiling point 2,212°C; specific gravity 10.50; valence 1, 2.

Show me the area where FIAT currency is Gold or Silver please!

 

This is what bugs me about Ron Paul supporters. They think they have access to information no one else does.

Why on earth would unbound delegates vote for the losing candidate? What makes the demographic that acts as delegates Ron Paul supporters?

And why didn't those delegates vote for Ron Paul in 2008 like all the Ron Paul supporters said they would.

The answer is that Ron Paul supporters don't actually know what they're talking about. Unbound delegates are unlikely to vote for the losing candidate.

 

What truth? You're distorting the facts.

It says they can't declare any Thing but gold and silver to be tender. What part don't you understand?

The power to declare gold and silver to be legal tender is not a power reserved for the federal government. Unless you'd care to show me where in the Constitution it says that the federal government can declare tender.

Declaring gold and silver to be legal tender is not creating a currency other than that created by Congress.

 

He has the least number of projected delegates. There is absolutely zero correlation between projected delegates and actual number of delegates who will pledge to him. You have been deceived by mainstream media propaganda.

 

i understand it as perfectly now as i did in university political science classes 35 years ago

states can't declare legal tender, the constitution says that's up to congress

article 1, section 8 gives congress the power to regulate the value of money and make any law necessary and proper for that

is this your first presidential primary election?

because you seem to ignoring many decades of history

 

That's because fiat currencies always fail. There isn't a single exception in history. What makes the US so special that it's immune to basic economics, mathematics and logic? And the neo-conservative response "because we're MURRICAH" is not an acceptable answer.

Maybe in your socialist utopia where wealth can be created out of thin air. But in reality, the money the government spends has to come from somewhere. Where do you suppose that "somewhere" is?

 

Your memory is failing you. Perhaps you should go back and review your study materials.

Proven wrong by both your own source and the Constitution.

It says no such thing.

 

You got that right. If he won the presidential election, he would "commit suicide" before his inauguration.

 

Apparently Paul supporters are actually willing to participate.

March 11, 2012

http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/6b9c4f3e5b6d40379be8966bac9cf298/NV--GOP-Convention-Ron-Paul/

 

Section 8: Powers of Congress - Enumerated powers

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof…

In 1871, when deciding Knox v. Lee, the Court ruled that this clause permitted Congress to emit bills and make them legal tender in satisfaction of debts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_One_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Enumerated_powers


The Legal Tender Cases were a series of United States Supreme Court cases in the latter part of the nineteenth century that affirmed the constitutionality of paper money.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_tender_cases

 

That does not say that Congress has the power to declare bills of credit to be legal tender.
I can see that you're just completely full of (*)(*)(*)(*). I'm not surprised.

Nobody is disputing that the Supreme Court has ruled in favor of paper money in the past. What I'm disputing is your flawed, freedom-hating interpretation of the Constitution.

 

Where does Paul say that the Constitution does say this ?

 

show me the information source that supports your interpretation of article 1, section 10

in henniker, new hampshire during an interview with one of fox's reporters, jesse watters

i've posted the transcript and video dozens of times

 

Well I am not about to scroll through hundreds of threads to look it up.

Have you posted the video in this thread ?

 

Oh please. It may be true that Ron Paul's supporters are more enthusiastic than usual. But not in any numbers to overtake the pledged delegates.

 

My interpretation is the same as the lawmakers who wrote the Constitution...which means it is the correct interpretation. You are incapable of demonstrating why yours is accurate, so you are resorting to falling back on flawed Supreme Court rulings in order to give your inaccurate claims any amount of legitimacy. Which means that you are just completely full of (*)(*)(*)(*), as I expected.

You see folks, this is the reason this country is so screwed up today. Because people like dujac are the ones in positions of power in charge of interpreting the Constitution. At which they do a marvelous job butchering it up in order to suit their own radical, corrupt political agendas...justifying it with such obviously flawed logic and outright lies.

A fine example is dujac's interpretation of "no state shall make any Thing but gold and silver legal tender" being twisted around to somehow mean that states cannot declare legal tender. Anyone with a second grade level reading comprehension would tell you that means that the states are allowed to declare gold and silver to be legal tender. Dujac is more educated than that, so the fact that he is arguing with this, to me, means that he is either a corrupt liar or just a troll.

 

"No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility."

"No Shate shall... make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts"

Hopefully the enlarged text helps you understand the States cannot use FIAT money and by doing it is completely illegal. Notice the words "Payment of Debts"? That means that to pay off a Debt a State must use Gold and/or Silver.

Tender: An offer to carry out work, supply goods, or buy land, shares, or another asset at a stated fixed price.
Debt: Something that is owed, such as money, goods, or services
Gold: Symbol Au A soft, yellow, corrosion-resistant element, the most malleable and ductile metal, occurring in veins and alluvial deposits and recovered by mining or by panning or sluicing. A good thermal and electrical conductor, gold is generally alloyed to increase its strength, and it is used as an international monetary standard, in jewelry, for decoration, and as a plated coating on a wide variety of electrical and mechanical components. Atomic number 79; atomic weight 196.967; melting point 1,063.0°C; boiling point 2,966.0°C; specific gravity 19.32; valence 1, 3.
Silver: Symbol Ag A lustrous white, ductile, malleable metallic element, occurring both uncombined and in ores such as argentite, having the highest thermal and electrical conductivity of the metals. It is highly valued for jewelry, tableware, and other ornamental use and is widely used in coinage, photography, dental and soldering alloys, electrical contacts, and printed circuits. Atomic number 47; atomic weight 107.87; melting point 960.8°C; boiling point 2,212°C; specific gravity 10.50; valence 1, 2.

Show me the area where FIAT currency is Gold or Silver please!

 

Another argument Crushed ! Good one.

 

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_g6d6tHRck"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_g6d6tHRck[/ame]

which means states don't get to decide what legal tender is, congress does


"States may not exercise certain powers reserved for the federal government."

"Much of this clause [section 10 contracts] is devoted to preventing the States from using or creating any currency other than that created by Congress."

In Federalist no. 44, Madison explains that "...Had every State a right to regulate the value of its coin, there might be as many different currencies as States; and thus the intercourse among them would be impeded."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_One_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Enumerated_powers

 

And Ron Paul is correct. Great job dujac. You made yourself look like even a bigger fool.

 

go read the federalist papers and get back to me

in the mean time, the founders would have restricted congress from being able to make paper money legal tender by enumerating it in section 9 limits on congress, if they had wanted to prohibit paper money, they didn't do that because they knew they had needed to issue paper money themselves during the revolution

when it came time to pen the final drafts of the constitution, the founders left it up to future generation to decide the paper money issue

you don't seem to be able to read very well

 

Hardly. Not all of the founding fathers agreed specially one who should have the power. Federal or State.