Rick Santorum says, "Vote for Ron Paul" to Limited Government question...

Pathetic .. your argument has been Crushed like a bug.

Obviously it there in black and white and you have provided no refutation to this fact.

Whats even worse is that your nasty comments about Paul are based in lies.

Give it up.

 

in the end, reasonable flexibility won out over obstinate fanaticism

you're projecting your own circumstance

my argument is backed by nonpartisan references, the supreme court, the federalist papers and the constitution

 

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You have nothing to debate. Go try to ruin another thread.

 

that's funny considering the video you just posted

 

I'm allowed a post now and then that isnt amazing. You have posted nothing new in this thread. You have been shown wrong my multiple posters.

 

"No State shall... make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts"

What part of the above did you not understand ?

It does not matter if someone comes along later and changes things.

It was originally there and this is what Paul is referring to.

First you claimed it was not there .. and then when you were proven wrong you backtrack and try and make excuses "but it was changed later".

Dude you were wrong. .. admit it and get over it.

There is nothing that terrible about being wrong .. humans make mistakes all the time.

What separates the worthy soul from the fool however is that when a fool makes a mistake he refuses to learn from it.

 

Already read them, plenty of times.

They thought it was implied because they didn't give congress the power to emit bills of credit. Unless you can show me where in the Constitution it says that Congress has the power to emit bills of credit and make them tender.

That's exactly why they were against it. They saw what kind of destruction it brought to the economy.

They did no such thing. They made it quite clear that legal tender can only be declared by the states as gold and silver.

I'm not the one butchering the Constitution.

 

it's you that doesn't understand

section 10 enumerate what states can't do

section 8 gives congress power over monetary control, not individual states

 

Bla bla bla .. It is either there .. or it is not.

You were shown that it is there .. quit obfuscating and turn from the dark side.

 

With exceptions. Like the clause "but gold and silver".

It does absolutely no such thing. Now you're just making (*)(*)(*)(*) up. Why am I not surprised.

 

just as i said:

Legal Tender

Relying on this clause, which applies only to the States and not to the Federal Government

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/article01/53.html

 

That's right. It only applies to the states. The Federal government has no power to declare legal tender. Only the states do - but only if it's gold and silver. The states are forbidden from making anything else legal tender.

 

It is there .. black and white .. in the Constitution.

Ron Paul was not lying and you are in denial of this fact.

 

reality defies your feeble attempts to twist truth

 

Exactly! The Constitution only gives Congress the power to Coin Money, not to make legal tender.

It should be noted that Case Law can misinterpret the Constitution. It is our responsibility to either take a case to the Supreme Court that challenges past interpretations, or to amend the Constitution to be more clear.

Any powers not expressly given to the Federal Government in the Constitution, should be assumed to be denied. It only says that Congress can Coin Money and determine value and standard of weights. It does not give the Congress the ability to deem anything as legal tender. So it should be assumed the ability to make something legal tender is given to the States (or individuals), thus, when section 10 restricts the States from making anything other than Gold or Silver legal tender, we find where what power lies.

The Congress is not given the power to make anything legal tender.

The States are prohibited from making anything but Gold and Silver legal tender.

The Supreme Court can interpret this how it will, and Case Law can determine court cases going forward until we over rule it.

It'll take a State passing a law that expressly prohibits it from taking FRNs as payment of debt, and that case being challenged in the Supreme Court, before this can be resolved.

But I do wonder, what does this have to do with Rick Santorum referring to Ron Paul as the Limited Government candidate?

 

In 1871, when deciding Knox v. Lee, the Supreme Court ruled that this clause permitted Congress to emit bills and make them legal tender in satisfaction of debts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_One_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Enumerated_powers

 

Good for them. The government could ban religion tomorrow and the Supreme Court could rule tomorrow that the First Amendment doesn't guarantee the right to freedom of religion. The Supreme Court ruling has absolutely no bearance on what is actually written in the Constitution.

 

Hey that's a good one man. When all else fails, just back yourself up with mindless drivel that contains absolutely no substance in an attempt to preserve your shattered ego while supposedly discrediting me. Unfortunately for you, it's not going to work because everybody sees through your bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

 

that's exactly what you've been doing

i've provided qualified references to bolster my assertions, you've not done so even when asked to

 

You've cited Case Law. I cited the Constitution. Both are sources. So you are wrong.

 

that's a ridiculously nutty argument

i've cited the constitution and i've provided interpretations of it from qualified, nonpartisan sources

you have not done so

 

http://www.constitution.org/cs_money.htm

"Congress was originally understood to have no power to make anything legal tender outside of federal territories, under Art. I Sec. 8 Cl. 17 and Art. IV Sec. 3 Cl. 2, but in 1868 a Supreme Court packed by Pres. Ulysses S. Grant, in the Legal Tender Cases, allowed Congress to make paper currency issued by the U.S. Treasury, backed by gold, legal tender on state territory, a precedent that remains controversial to this day, when courts allow paper currency not backed by anything to be considered "legal tender"."

Goes on to talk about what "money" is in the Constitution:

"The only money amount in the Constitution or its amendments is in the Seventh Amendment:

*In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

In 1789 the "dollar" was a coin, the Spanish taler, containing 371.25 grains of pure silver, or 416 grains of silver of standard (coin grade) purity. A troy ounce, the standard measurement unit for precious metals, is 480 grains, so a "dollar" contains 0.7734 troy ounce of pure silver, and 20 such coins would weigh 17.3333 troy ounces and contain 15.46875 troy ounces of pure silver."

 

Nothing you cited disproved the fact that the Constitution only allows the states to declare legal tender, and it can only be gold and silver. All you did was prove that Case Law has declared otherwise.

 

welcome to the 21st century where the u.s. dollar makes the world go 'round

you're just wrong

"States may not exercise certain powers reserved for the federal government."

"Much of this clause [section 10 contracts] is devoted to preventing the States from using or creating any currency other than that created by Congress."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_One_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Enumerated_powers



Federalist № 44 Restrictions on the Authority of the Several States

The right of coining money, which is here taken from the States, was left in their hands by the Confederation, as a concurrent right with that of Congress…

Publius. [James Madison]

 

That does not prove that the states cannot declare gold and silver to be legal tender.

"No State shall... make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts"

What part of that don't you understand?