Roundtable: Obama Worst President since WWII?

What your hyper-biased source with a transparent agenda tells you is hardly surprising.

Do most Americans support Roe v Wade? Consistently, and by a considerable margin.

Do any Americans support the draconian seizure of wombs by politicians as soon as a mindless, microscopic amalgam of cells appears there - even when the result of rape/incest? Only a minute, extremist fringe.

"... defending illegal immigrants accused of murder" ?

Any decent American, Republican, Democrat, or other, who respects the US Constitution and its 2nd Amendment with regard to the accused's right to a defense in a court of law.

Why do you need to pretend that right is a partisan issue?

 

Hate knows no bounds.. and takes judgment with it.

 

Obama put immigrants in cages. That's a fact. We have photos from 2014.

 

I tend to look at corruption in determining best/worse. I'm not talking about dog and pony shows or conspiracy theories performed or spun by our political party's. But rather criminal indictments delivered to the President or his hand picked Executive Branch officials. You know, the people that are supposed to act in our interest whose behavior "we" determined merited a criminal indictment.

I left Trump out of this and thought the preceding 50 years was relevant today.

For a four year term of a Republican President the AVERAGE number of criminal indictments was 17.1 and for a Democrat 0.5.

For a four year term the MEAN number of criminal indictments (if you prefer) for a Republican President was 8.6 and a Democrat 0.67.

The Executive Branch of a Republican President has been demonstratively more corrupt, why? Is there a talent pool preference between the party's? Are there pockets within the private sector talent pool (Academia, Legal, Business, et al) that are more criminally inclined than others?

 

The 2008 mortgage crisis had nothing to do with Bush and everything to do with Carter's 1977 Community Reinvestment Act and was compounded by Bill Clinton expanding on the CRA.

 

Actually, I think the worst POTUS in my lifetime was JFK. He had multiple affairs outside his marriage to the lovable trophy wife. Got us into Viet Nam. Almost started WWIII. Flat out refused MLK's request to introduce civil rights legislation. Of course he would be considered to be a great president because he was a rich white Democrat from a slimy Massachusetts family.

 

Distorting and exaggerating improprieties of yore in no way mitigates or diverts attention from current outrages.

See https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/childrens-concentration-camp/ if you need to reminisce.

 

You must be saying that because you know it.

I cannot know it. I do not hate.

If I could...I would hate Trump.

I do not.

Put lots of effort into conquering your hate, Spirit.

If you allow it to exist...it owns you.

 

He's wrong that Obama will be remembered only as or just as the first black President.

He was terrible in every way. Terrible economically, doubling the debt, lowest GDP, underemployment, record poverty and foodstamps and on and on.

He was terrible internationally. The withdrawal from Iraq, the rise of ISIS, total failure to do anything about immigration, the refugee crisis in Europe which will be the downfall of the EU, Libya and Benghazi, Yemen, Iran, Syria and North Korea...all failures. Trade, TPP, failure.

And of course this:

The Argumentum ad Hitlerum fallacy? Really? Grow up.

 

Best and worst is all a matter of one's personal perspective. Partisanship comes to the forefront in how one rates a president, best and worse. In 2014 Quinnipiac poll had Reagan as the best president, Obama as the 4th best. But Obama was also ranked as the worst president since WWII. Fourth best and the worst. In 2017 Quinnipiac poll Reagan retained the number one slot for the best, Obama moved up to number 2 best. Nixon replaced Obama as the worst in 2017, but Obama was the second worst. The same year, 2017 Morning Consult conducted a poll where Reagan and Obama were one, two as the best. This poll included Trump for the first time. Trump replaced Obama as the worst, Obama dropped to number two with Nixon number three worst.


Then a 2018 Quinnipiac poll still had Reagan as the best, Obama as number two. Trump as the worst followed by Obama with Nixon still third worst. What’s interesting is Obama makes all the polls as one of the best and one of the worst in each and every poll. This doesn’t surprise me if one takes what Historians say about ranking of the presidents. Historian state it takes 20 years after a president leaves office in order to get a fairly accurate rating where a president stands. This gives it time for the partisanship to die down and for historians to gauge the long term effects on this country of a presidents agenda and action.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States


The polls are below.

2014 Quinnipiac poll

A Quinnipiac University poll taken June 24–30, 2014, asked 1,446 registered voters in the United States who they thought were the best and worst Presidents since World War II.[41]


Best President since World War II:


Ronald Reagan (35%)

Bill Clinton (18%)

John F. Kennedy (15%)

Barack Obama (8%)

Dwight Eisenhower (5%)

Harry S. Truman (4%)

Lyndon B. Johnson (tie) (3%)

George H. W. Bush (tie) (3%)

Jimmy Carter (2%)

Richard Nixon (tie) (1%)

Gerald Ford (tie) (1%)

George W. Bush (tie) (1%)


Worst President since World War II:

Barack Obama (33%)

George W. Bush (28%)

Richard Nixon (13%)

Jimmy Carter (8%)

Lyndon B. Johnson (tie) (3%)

Ronald Reagan (tie) (3%)

Bill Clinton (tie) (3%)

Gerald Ford (tie) (2%)

George H. W. Bush (tie) (2%)

Dwight Eisenhower (1%)

Harry S. Truman (tie) (<1%)

John F. Kennedy (tie) (<1%)


2017 Quinnipiac poll

Four years later, a Quinnipiac University poll taken January 20–25, 2017, asked 1,190 voters in the United States who they thought were the best and worst Presidents since World War II.[42]


Best President since World War II:

Ronald Reagan (30%)

Barack Obama (29%)

John F. Kennedy (12%)

Bill Clinton (9%)

Dwight Eisenhower (tie) (3%)

George W. Bush (tie) (3%)

Harry Truman (tie) (2%)

Lyndon B. Johnson (tie) (2%)

Jimmy Carter (tie) (2%)

George H.W. Bush (tie) (2%)

Richard Nixon (tie) (<1%)

Gerald R. Ford (tie) (<1%)


Worst President since World War II:

Richard Nixon (24%)

Barack Obama (23%)

George W. Bush (22%)

Jimmy Carter (10%)

Ronald Reagan (5%)

Bill Clinton (4%)

Lyndon B. Johnson (3%)

George H.W. Bush (2%)

Gerald R. Ford (1%)

Harry S. Truman (tie) (<1%)

Dwight Eisenhower (tie) (<1%)

John F. Kennedy (tie) (<1%)


2017 Morning Consult poll

Including for the first time President Donald Trump, a Morning Consult poll taken February 9–10, 2017, asked 1,791 registered voters in the United States, who they thought were the best and worst Presidents since World War II.[43][44]


Best President since World War II:

Ronald Reagan (26%)

Barack Obama (20%)

John F. Kennedy (17%)

Bill Clinton (9%)

Donald Trump (6%)

George W. Bush (tie) (2%)

Harry Truman (tie) (2%)

Jimmy Carter (tie) (2%)

George H.W. Bush (tie) (2%)

Richard Nixon (tie) (1%)

Lyndon B. Johnson (tie) (1%)

Gerald R. Ford (<1%)


Worst President since World War II:

Donald Trump (26%)

Barack Obama (25%)

Richard Nixon (13%)

George W. Bush (7%)

Bill Clinton (6%)

Jimmy Carter (5%)

George H.W. Bush (3%)

Lyndon B. Johnson (2%)

Ronald Reagan (tie) (1%)

Gerald R. Ford (tie) (1%)

Harry S. Truman (tie) (1%)

John F. Kennedy (<1%)


2018 Quinnipiac poll

A Quinnipiac University poll taken March 3–5, 2018, asked 1,122 voters in the United States who they thought were the best and worst Presidents since World War II.[45]


Best President since World War II:

Ronald Reagan (28%)

Barack Obama (24%)

John F. Kennedy (tie) (10%)

Bill Clinton (tie) (10%)

Donald Trump (7%)

Dwight Eisenhower (4%)

Harry Truman (tie) (3%)

Jimmy Carter (tie) (3%)

Lyndon B. Johnson (2%)

George H.W. Bush (tie) (1%)

Richard Nixon (tie) (1%)

George W. Bush (tie) (1%)

Gerald R. Ford (<1%)


Worst President since World War II:

Donald Trump (41%)

Barack Obama (21%)

Richard Nixon (10%)

Jimmy Carter (8%)

George W. Bush (6%)

Bill Clinton (4%)

Lyndon B. Johnson (tie) (2%)

Ronald Reagan (tie) (2%)

Gerald R. Ford (1%)

Harry S. Truman (tie) (<1%)

Dwight Eisenhower (tie) (<1%)

John F. Kennedy (tie) (<1%)

George H.W. Bush (tie) (<1%)

 

Or documented fact?

https://www.npr.org/2017/10/02/5550...trump-more-negative-than-for-other-presidents

https://www.journalism.org/2017/10/02/a-comparison-to-early-coverage-of-past-administrations/

Trump ended the birtherism controversy that Crooked Hillary started. You're welcome.

Whether he lied, changed his mind or broke his promise, I don't care. I'd rather they never come out especially now since it would just be more fodder for the Democrats to pummel him with.

Something that proves the negative #FakeNews media coverage has done its job of convincing the gullible idiots in the public with lies, distractions, half-truths, distortions, out of context quotes and purposeful deceptions. Trump never made that "boast" but was merely making a joke about being super rich. You know that just as you know he never called Mexican rapists or Nazis and white supremacists were "fine people". But you are one of the useful minions who will repeat the lies on purpose.

People are allowed to have attorneys and are afforded the assumption of innocence, you are assuming he's guilty.

The ODU study concluded that its best estimate was that 6.4 percent, or 1.2 million, of 19 million noncitizens voted in 2008 and that 81 percent voted for Barack Obama. The study, acknowledging that a firm final count was elusive, concluded that anywhere from 38,000 to 2.8 million noncitizens voted.
http://amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/12/noncitizen-voters-feud-between-academics-resurface/

This just shows a lack of caring for the victims of sex trafficking, rape and abuse.

He owes his presidency to the fact that enough voters were smart enough not to let the alt-left bastards in the media deceive them into voting for Crooked Hillary.

You are the last person that should be complaining about hper-partisanship. Your posts are fact free propaganda and ridiculous memes.

 

Remember the gas lines?

 

Nice rant but unrelated to the thread.

 

As is the 19 th century.

 

Former president Obama will almost certainly be remembered in history as a decent, reasonable president. My guess is he will be considered in the top 50%...and possibly within the top 25%.

Trump will occupy the lowest spot for a very long time. Perhaps forever.

I am saying that Hitler seemed to be more intelligent than Trump. No big deal...and I am not saying anything great about Hitler's intelligence. But Trump is near to stupid...wich anyone but his sycophants should easily be able to see.

I am grown up.

Give it a try. You'll enjoy it.

 

The only thing dumber than trump is his base.
What can be worse than a president who prevented us from another Depression? What could be worse than a president who tripled the stock market? What could be a worse than a president who got healthcare for millions and millions and millions of Americans who could not see a doctor? But don’t worry Trump is increasing the national debt more than any other president and we will need another Democrat to rescue us the way Obama did from Bush. What is interesting is that you give all the credit to trump Who inherited a growing economy . He wasn’t inheriting what Obama did and that was 700,000 jobs being lost every month. No one is saying you have to like Obama but it’s pure ignorance to think he was the worst president, Thank goodness most of the country doesn’t think like you do..they educate themselves...But then again Trump did say he loved the uneducated

 

Not to mention how he is disrespected all over the world and used by the worst dictators.he is a laughing stock . What is saddest to me is that he lies to his base and instead of being insulted they love him. He speaks to them like they are morons

 

Well to be fair, he did create millions of low paying walmart, McDonalds and waiter job! And it only cost us eight trillion dollars!

That's pretty good, right?

 

So your saying ol Abe should have bowed to the southern white democrats and allowed them to keep their slaves. Well aint that special! Someone exposed their roots, opsie!

 

Yes.

Had he not passed the ACA, we would not have that as evidence. I suppose it was in the best interest of Democrats to learn one of the things causing Pelosi to say we need to read it to learn what is in it is the fact by making it 3000 pages long, nobody would read the ACA. But came bill time and they learned what it entails.

 

Can he help it if the looney leftist media cant go a minute without mentioning his name LMAO

 

Ya he clearly wasn't living in the bay area during the Peanut President war on travel

 

Recently researchers put the figure for Abe at 750,000 killed due to combat. Sure he has to be our worst. Obama is safe from being the absolute worst.

Research into the Depression that hit us hard when FDR was president does not blame even him for the depression, it blames particular banks in NY over runs on their money. Like dominoes, it also started to kill off other banks. This was prior to the FDIC.

I am right there with you on Andrew Jackson. Abe is there too when he took part in the hanging of the Sioux too.

Largest Mass Execution in US History: 150 Years Ago Today
Lincoln ordered the execution of thirty-eight Dakota Indians for rebellion—but never ordered the execution of Confederate officials or generals.
By Jon WienerTwitter

https://www.thenation.com/article/largest-mass-execution-us-history-150-years-ago-today/

 

Our first massive gas lines happened when Nixon was president. Also he mandated autos nationwide not exceed 55 mph. Carter also deregulated heavily. I hated Nixon but voted for Carter and that was out of the pot into the frying pan.

Nixon caused a kid I knew in High school and also at his fathers business to be put into prison. Jack Holland was jailed. Jack's story in brief is prior to Nixon, his father sold used cars from his lot and to the rear he had a large black oil tank. He got free oil from the local gas stations as a service to rid the station of drained dirty oil. Well, his kid graduates with me from high school and Jack his son got the idea from his father owning one large tanker truck, to open gas stations. It took some time but when I flying a lot in 1980, I saw Jack a lot at the local airport departing or landing in his large jet passenger plane. Jack kicked in plenty of money to the city to fund parks.

Well it was a shock when a Nixon law about new oil and old oil put Jack into prison. Jack not only had a fleet of tanker trucks, but he had, I believe more than 25 gas stations up and down Northern Ca. Holland Oil was on the stations for the name.

Jack purchased an oil refinery. And there he purchased oil and acted like it was new oil being refined. So the FBI arrested him and he ended up in prison.

The public simply lacks good solid information on oil issues. Then the law that jailed Jack was repealed. I never learned if that shortened his prison time.

Nixon actually did not act like he was a republican.

Jack Holland park
http://haywardrec.org/facilities/facility/details/Jack-Holland-Sr-Park-129

Jack charged with crimes

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/26030604/holland_oil_doe_fraud_charged_12_may/

 

Really? What accomplishments will Obama be best remembered for in history?

Maybe the Bergdahl trade, a deserter & traitor for 5 top Taliban leaders & a crapload of cash for terrorists? Maybe for unilaterally withdrawal of defensive missiles from Eastern Europe? Putin hated Obama for that right? Tell me it's Obamacare or the Iran Deal. How about that historic midterm disaster in 2010? Fast & Furious arms to drug cartels? Cars for clunkers! That's it!