Same-sex marriage will not change a single day-to-dy thing for Americans

How many male to male penguin births have you recorded?

 

That wasn't the point. The point was that the person I responded to seemed to think that if the man isn't the father, "who says he'll be bothered to look after his adopted kid.?"

The underlying point is that there are never any guarantees. Being the biological parent of a child hardly means you're going to stick around and that's true for both men and women. So using that as an argument against same-sex marriage is dumb.

 

I am glad they don't. We already have enough people here, we don't have the slightest need to be creating more. If gay parents want to adopt instead of creating a new life, a new mouth to feed, good for them. Great for them actually. Born children still need parents too.

A Biological link is only worth as much as it may be worth to each person. It has no universal emotional value. Take a look around at the world you live in. Being a biological parent hardly makes you parent-of-the-year by default. It all comes down to who you are as a person.

And I'll tell you what. I'd trust the intentions more of a couple who go through a lengthy and costly adoption process over a man and a woman who got drunk one night, had sex, and conceived a child. There are no guarantees of being good parents for either of these two groups in my example but the same-sex couple looking to adopt has to put in quite a bit more effort just to make that adoption happen than any man or woman who simply have to have sex.

Look, we both know what your real hang-up is. You think gay people are yucky and unnatural. Everything else you're saying, everything, stems from that one subjective discomfort. You and Dixon here are no different at all, he's just learned how to hide his real motivations behind legal jargon and circular arguments and the Romans. You're not there yet I guess.


Think about it this way. In the past, people did get married to procreate and have children(because children were important either as additional labor or as a bargaining chip to trade in a marriage). That was the culture of the world. Didn't make it right, just made it what it was, mostly because of sheep-herder religions. Consider this. People also used to have gardens out of necessity. They used to grow their own food for survival. Today, that's not necessary. But yet, people still have gardens. Survival wasn't the only draw to gardening and procreation isn't the only draw to marriage. We don't have to do things the way they did hundreds of years ago just because that's how they did things hundreds of years ago because we don't live hundreds of years ago.

 

"With the notion of marriage – an exclusive, emotional, binding ‘til death do you part’ tie – becoming more and more an exception to the rule given a rise in cohabitation and high rates of divorce, why should the federal government be telling adults who love one another that they cannot get married, simply because they happen to be gay? I believe when there are so many forces pulling our society apart, we need more commitment to marriage, not less."

-- Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska)

 

Yeah, you got that ignorant act down pat. Its originally from the UNIFORM MARRIAGE ACT. The silly ideas bouncing around your head wont change that fact.

 

Im not the topic of discussion. Either of you boys able to formulate a rational response to the topic of discussion?......I didnt think so.

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No one is telling them any such thing. You imagined it.

 

You must not know much about penguin reproduction. Penguins are birds. Birds lay eggs. Wow, I know toddlers who know birds lay eggs, hazard a guess what that makes me think about you? Since penguins lay eggs, it is possible for a penguin female to abandon her clutch. That clutch, to ensure the species continued existence, is adopted and sat by male couples.

The Uniform Marriage Act was originally a guideline set up so that all states would have uniform laws on marriage and divorce. It wasn't even set up by Congress, but an NGO. Uniformity will be returned to the statutes when same-sex marriages are allowed nationwide once a state government defends their ban to the Supreme Court, and thanks to the Hollingsworth ruling the ban will be overturned. However, it is important to remember that state marriage laws were not uniform even before the first state allowed same-sex marriage. For example, marriages in several Southern states allow for teenagers under eighteen to be married, while in other states, marriage is prohibited to anyone under eighteen.

We have, it just so happens we're having a battle of wits with so many unarmed people.... We've got one guy who doesn't know birds lay eggs, and we've got you, someone who seems to know as much of the law as Gilbert Grape.

 

I know you dont realize, but you are confirming my assertion and refuting your own.

 

Actually they steal eggs from nesting heterosexual pairs.

 

I am doing nothing of the kind. The UMA did not bring uniformity to marriage laws throughout the United States as you claim, there is still the issue of age that is not uniform and was not brought to a uniform state through the UMA. Plus, the UMA's wording can be declared unconstitutional. It will be declared unconstitutional on Fourteenth Amendment grounds.

Cite a reliable source.

 

Any source is more reliable than the random thoughts bouncing around in your head.

They also attempted to steal eggs from other penguin couples
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_and_Silo

A couple of gay penguins are attempting to steal eggs from straight birds in an effort to become "fathers",
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...enguins-steal-eggs-from-straight-couples.html

The “gay” penguin couple has been known to try to steal eggs
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/12/chinas-gay-penguins-adopt/

penguins would try to “disturb the other pairs and steal their eggs
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2012/11/08/world_first_as_gay_king_penguins_become_fathers.html

 

At least I have thoughts.

As for the penguins, the couple in Harbin ended up getting a chick when they were given one in the penguin equivalent of an adoption. The chick could likely have died if left in its mother's care, or did you forget to read that story before putting it on there? That they would be willing to steal eggs from other couples shows that they have paternal instincts. That there's no followup story suggests to me that the penguin dads were not unfit parents and there was no story.

All this has no import on human gay couples. Penguins do not rule their society through the rule of law. We do. So, unless you can find an example of human gay couples doing the same thing as the gay penguins, we'll just chalk this whole aside up to your ineptitude.

 

After they tried to steal eggs which you denied.

 

I did not deny that homosexual penguin couples steal eggs from heterosexual nesting pairs. I said that it is possible for gay penguin couples to acquire eggs that were abandoned by the mother. Then, when you said they steal eggs, I asked for a source per Rule 10 of the forum's rules.

 

This wasn't a sex education class ffs.

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How crazy. Typical... but crazy.


Howard said the PRYSM presenters also cursed and questioned whether the children had been taught about safe homosexual sex.

James Hagen, chairman of the school committee, told The American Journal that teachers felt uncomfortable about the presentation and reported it to the principal.

“Teachers were in such shock,” he told the newspaper. “Everyone just froze.”

Principal Riley defended the way the teacher’s handled the situation – noting that the conversation about gay foreplay happened near the end of the presentation.

“I think if it had gone longer, they would have intervened,”

He said the school is taking steps to make sure it doesn’t happen again.

“This particular day didn’t have anything to do with sex. It had everything to do with tolerance and kindness and trying to eradicate from our building the idea that it’s okay to be mean to each other,” he said.


... and they say there is no agenda.

 

You and PTPL are simply ignorant of the facts.

Immediately after acceptance of homosexual marriage in Mass. in Dec. 2003 there were school wide assemblies celebrating homosexual marriage. National pro-homosexual groups distributed literature which informed the children that it was now to be considered a "normal part of society".

They were given sheets that had Marriage "myths" by the homosexual group Gay and Lesbian Advocate Defenders.
One of their myths is that the purpose of marriage had nothing to do with procreation.
Another of these myths is that a child is better off when raised by a mother and a father.

So the children in Mass. are being brainwashed in the schools by ONLY being allowed to receive one position on the homosexual marriage debate. Furthermore our children, if they express disagreement with the homosexual agenda are PUNISHED for doing so.

Within months, the homosexual agenda was brought into MIDDLE schools. Pro-homosexual groups distributed literature titled "Love Makes a Family: Portraits of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender People and their Families". In 2004 a middle school Teacher told a radio station that the gay-marriage ruling had opened up the door for teaching homosexuality in their class stating "give me a break it's legal now".

The following year it was in Elementary school curricula with hostilities towards parents who disagreed. They were provided booklets called "Who's in a Family" which told elementary school children that homosexual families are just another kind of family, just like their own parents. The pictures showed families with 2 mothers and 2 fathers. When a Lexington parent, David Parker, demanded to be informed when this type of literature was going to be given to his kindergartener and to be able to opt-out of the information. Rather than work with the parent, the school officials had him arrested and put in jail overnight at the meeting for refusing to relent from his position. School officials continued to refuse after outrage from parents in the surrounding community.

The next year 2nd Graders at the same school were read a book "King & King" about two men who fall in love with each other and end up getting married and at the end has a picture of the two men kissing each other. When parents complained about this the school officials told them that they had no obligation to inform them of the information or allow them to opt their child out. They filed a federal lawsuit which the federal judges stated that because homosexual marriage is legal in MA, the schools actually had a DUTY to NORMALIZE homosexual relationships and schools had no duty to inform parents of this information or allow the parents to opt their children out. In fact, according to the ruling, acceptance of homosexuality is now a matter of "good citizenship".

School libraries have also radically changed with many books normalizing homosexual marriage. One example is called "Courting Equality" supplied to schools by a major homosexual activist organization. Activist teachers began to posting pictures of their same sex spouses in their classrooms and bringing those spouses to functions with primary and elementary school children.

Furthermore, when a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage was gaining steam in MA, there was a full-fledged campaign by homosexual advocates along with the school system to get students to actively support same-sex marriage ESPECIALLY if their parents were against it. They were even recruited IN SCHOOL to help march in gay pride parades carrying pro-homosexual banners. Isn't that nice, the homosexuals along with our government are now using our children as tools against us.

This doesn't even go into the topics about allowing transgenders and boys who claim to be girls in boys bodies to go into locker rooms and bathrooms with 12 year old little girls.

The homosexual marriage acceptance in MA even had unintended consequences on business. All insurers are required to recognize gay spouses in their coverage including auto, health, life etc etc. Businesses must recognize them in all benefits and activities regarding both employees and customers. People who express religious objections can get fired from their jobs for disagreeing with same-sex marriage even if ANOTHER EMPLOYEE brought it up.

Another consequence is that gay activists want to "test" homosexual acceptance of businesses. So they go into those businesses and fondle, kiss and make out with their same-sex partners to determine if those businesses accept homosexuality to their liking. If not, they report them and the businesses can be fined and punished.

The legal profession and judicial system is also affected. The bar exam now tests lawyers on their knowledge of same-sex marriage law. In 2007 a Boston man refused to answer a question about homosexual marriage in the affirmative and he was failed on his test for it. Lawyers in MA who practice family law are increasingly required to attend same-sex marriage seminars and if they are not willing to take same-sex marriage cases, several have been fired from their firms.

One of the more insidious of the problems is with the government changes. Marriage licenses no longer say "Husband" and "Wife" it now says Party A and Party B. If you are a state Justice of the peace you are now REQUIRED to perform same-sex marriages even if you have religious objections. Some were forced to resign rather than comply.

There is no meaningful debate in MA about gay marriage, not because people don't still think it's disgusting and disagree with it. But because there has become a political climate int he state where politicians and anyone of any significant power or position is afraid to disagree with gay marriage because they will be labeled bigots and wanting to take away freedoms from people. So now we're not even legitimately able to have a debate on the topic because of the climate of intimidation and fear the homosexual advocates have created in MA.

In Boston the members of the city council gather to pay respects to the homosexual flag. That's right. They pay respects to that queer looking rainbow colored flag. They then fly that flag over Boston city hall for a week.

Within a year of the acceptance of homosexual marriage, the states adoption and foster care workers went through a massive indoctrination of "LGBT youth acceptance" ran by the radical National Gay and Lesbian task force. The stated intention is that those working with children must be trained that working with children with homosexuality and transgenderism were "normal".

Homosexuals who adopt can revise children's existing birth certificates to list them as Parent A and Parent B.

On May 15, 2013 a rep of the Mass. Dept of Children and Families told a Boston Bar Association forum that they are weeding out adoptive and foster parents who are not willing to WHOLLY accept and support LGBT identification.

Within 5 months of acceptance of homosexuality in Mass. the requirement for an STD test before a marriage certificate is provided was eliminated. This is despite an INCREASE in syphilis and HIV cases in homosexual men.

Gay domestic violence has become so prolific in Mass. that it now has it's own budget item in the State Budget. It has gotten so bad that gay domestic partner violence literature is now distributed at public homosexual events, including children at "youth pride" events.

But lets not forget the "little black book" handed out to teens at Brookline HS on April 30, 2005. It was produced by the Mass. Dept. of Public Health, Boston public health along with several national homosexual agenda groups. Among other things it gives tips to boys on how to perform sex acts on other males along with a directory of bars in boston where young men can go for random anonymous sexual encounters. Some messages that the public health departments gave to our children in those books was that "you have the right to enjoy homosexual sex without shame or stigma" and "you have the right to safer sex materials that speak to your desires".

The official stance of the Mass Public Health Policy the unusual and often horrible diseases and issues surrounding homosexual behavior should not be considered a public health problem. The medical community should not stigmatize or discourage it, but instead should put more resources to support it.

In 2011 a prominent physician in Boston objected to the hospital being involved with gay pride activities while pointing out the medical health risks of homosexuality. The hospital threatened to fire him stating that "homosexuality is now legal" and that such objections amounted to harassment and discrimination.

Any church or religious group that denies same-sex marriage, even within their own walls, can face a wave of threats, harassment and terrorism. In 2005 Tremont Temple held a religious conference on issues surrounding homosexuality and gay marriage. Over 100 homosexual activists attempted to storm the church using bullhorns and screaming obscene slogans. They even dragged a coffin to the front door. In 2006, the same church held a televised heterosexual marriage ceremony and they were again harassed by homosexuals holding signs disparaging heterosexuality and screaming at the people who entered and exited. The same year a Catholic group held a traditional marriage rally in downtown werster (sp), MA. Homosexual activists swarmed the area screaming bigots and disgusting obscene chants. There are dozens of examples like these.

There are many, many, many other examples of how homosexual marriage will impact peoples lives.

Get the (*)(*)(*)(*) out of here with that BS.

 

It is , or soon will be a normal part of society. Sorry. You'll get over it, or you wont. No body really cares

 

You posted this bovine excrement before It is straight from the pages of the delusional hate group Mass Resistance:

Hate group designation[edit]

Since March 2008, the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) has listed MassResistance as an active anti-gay hate group.[3][5][26]

In 1996 MassResistance's leader, Brian Camenker claimed that suicide prevention programs aimed at gay youth actually were “put together by homosexual activists to normalize homosexuality”. MassResistance also asserted that groups such as the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN), which support school anti-bullying programs, actually want to "lure children into homosexuality and, very possibly, sadomasochism".[3]

MassResistance has also insisted that gays were "trying to get legislation passed to allow sex with animals", later adding, "They [gays and lesbians] are pushing perversion on our kids".[3]

MassResistance has made claims that no homosexuals died in the The Holocaust of World War II, that the "pink triangle the Nazis forced imprisoned gays to wear actually signified Catholic priests", and that "gays are dangerous to kids". They have also made comments regarding "skyrocketing homosexual domestic violence"[3][27] and called a gay pride event a "depraved" display that featured "a great deal of obviously disturbed, dysfunctional, and extremely self-centered people whose aim was to push their agenda".[3]

 

No actually it won't.

But that has nothing to do with the thread. Stop attempting to hijack the thread. The topic is that homosexual marriage will not impact the lives of others. Clearly that's a blatant falsehood and nothing more than propaganda to attempt to deceive people into thinking it will not impact their lives.

But I guess lies and deceit are all you folks have anymore.

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Do you refute anything I posted or are you just attempting to use a logical fallacy and make your argument even more pathetic than it already is?

 

All rendered moot since infertile couples can marry.

It's called equal application of the law. It's not affected by your appeal to tradition fallacies.

 

Do you ever have an original thought of your own, or do you only know how to post garbage from the web sites of hate groups like MassResistance?

MassResitance is one of the groups that encouraged the criminalization of Homosexuality in Nigeria:

The Associated Press is reporting that “dozens of gay men” have been arrested in northern Nigeria as a result of a new law strengthening the country’s prohibition on homosexuality, in what public health groups fear will be a setback to efforts to fight AIDS. LAGOS, Nigeria (AP) — Police, working off a list of 168 suspects purportedly obtained through torture, are arresting dozens of gay men in Nigeria's northern Bauchi state, human rights activists said Tuesday. A new law in Nigeria, dubbed the "Jail the Gays" bill, is encouraging the persecution of gays and will endanger programs fighting HIV-AIDS in the gay community, said Dorothy Aken'Ova, executive director of Nigeria's International Center for Reproductive Health and Sexual Rights. On Monday, President Goodluck Jonathan's office confirmed that the Nigerian leader signed the Same Sex Marriage Prohibition Act that criminalizes gay marriage, gay organizations and anyone working with or promoting them.

CBS notes that “sodomy has been illegal in Nigeria for many years...in some parts of Nigeria’s Muslim-majority north where strict Sharia law is upheld, gays and lesbians risk being stoned to death if they are caught.” This seems like a good time, then, to look back at the American religious right’s support for Nigeria’s harsh penalties for its LGBT residents and opposition to Obama administration efforts to protect LGBT rights abroad. In 2011, when then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton announced that the Obama administration would work to protect LGBT rights abroad – including in places like Nigeria that criminalize homosexuality -- the religious right exploded in anger.

Pat Robertson called the policy “appalling” and warned of God’s wrath in response. Radio host Janet Mefferd cited Nigeria’s anti-gay laws in a rant against the Obama administration’s policy, saying “I don’t see that this is something that the United States has to jump in on because it’s such a huge global tragedy. It’s crazy.” The Catholic Family & Human Rights Institute also cited Nigeria’s move to tighten criminal sanctions on homosexuality in its opposition to the Obama administration policy. Liberty Counsel’s Matt Barber, the anti-gay group MassResistance, and Family Watch International’s Sharon Slater have also supported Nigeria’s anti-gay laws at various stages. We wonder if any of these groups will comment about this wave of arrests.

Filed Under Organizations:MassResistance, Liberty Counsel, Family Watch International, Catholic Family and Human Rights InstitutePeople:Sharon Slater, Pat Robertson, Matt Barber, Janet Mefferd - See more at: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conte...gay-law-led-wave-arrests#sthash.PGHW37G7.dpuf

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conte...ported-nigerian-anti-gay-law-led-wave-arrests

Camenker, the head of MassResistance said: Gay Rights Advocates Will Kill Kids, Turn America Into Nazi Germany, North Korea And Pol Pot's Cambodia - See more at: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conte...ny-north-korea-and-pol-p#sthash.x5aEFwpO.dpuf

Now tell me how they have any credibility? There has to be something wrong with anyone who believes this clap trap. Do you really believe it?

 

Lol your arguments are even more illogical and pathetic than progressivepatriots are.

Please stop embarrassing yourself.

 

Would you like to actually attempt to refute anything posted?

We get it you don't like the group that dislikes gays. I'm shocked. But we get it. Fortunately I don't care if you like them or not.

Now would you like to attempt to refute anything that was posted?

 

Lol, is there something you think I got wrong in my post? How about addressing it and not looking like an idiot?

 

Any argument based on what MassResistance says is the one that is truly pathetic. It mostly lies and distortions. Can you independently verify any of it from a credible source?. To believe them is like believing a Nazi who claims that the holocaust was a myth.

FRC and MR are attacking GLSEN for a publication called the ’Little Black Book,’ describing it as ’the most vile assault on teenagers ever concocted by homosexual activists,’ " the posting reported.

"When MassResistance president Brian Camenker says it helps men find places to meet other men? He’s distorting the fact that it merely lists community resources, health clinics, and gay bars," the posting continues. "Surely a booklet listing bars is not designed for ’5th through 9th graders.’ "

http://www.edgeboston.com/news/nati...s_smear_glbt_youth_organization_with_pamphlet