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  1. Marine1

    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your problem is your a liberal and think all tax cuts are bad and the more you tax them and flood them with regulations that is good. Wrong.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Your problem is that you are BLOTUS supporter and you BELIEVE the bovine excrement that the corporations have been feeding you while they steal your future and that of your children and grandchildren.
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What in hell do you think Obama did doing this?

    Here is why Obama lost so many good jobs. He chased companies away with his health care, record regulations and the highest corporate taxes in the whole industrial world. (In a race to the finish, Obama administration presses ahead ...
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    As the future Trump administration begins to take shape, the Obama White House is engaged in a frenzied, final effort to put in place as many new rules and regulations as time allows.

    20,642 New Regulations Added in the Obama Presidency
    www.dailysignal.com/2016/05/23/20642-new...
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    More than $22 billion per year in new regulatory costs were imposed on Americans last year, pushing the total burden for the Obama years to exceed $100 billion annually.




    Does the U.S. Have the Highest Corporate Tax Rates in the ...

    https://www.financialsense.com/cont.../matthew-kerkhoff/does...

    Proponents of this thesis will draw attention to the fact that the US has the highest corporate income tax rate in the industrialized world, currently at 39.1% (based on the 35% federal rate and the average rate levied by US states), see chart below. This high rate puts companies at a …



    No corporations doesn't cause poverty. Bad or no jobs cause poverty. That's what Obama's policies gave us.
     
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    Thank you for proving me RIGHT about your FIXATION with Obama.
     
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    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here...let me help you with that. This is the current GOP message:

    I've got mine...screw you.

    Not really sure why you guys want that out there, but...

    ...there it is.
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You Liberals are so brainwashed I really don't think no matter how much we show you that you will understand it. Business isn't the enemy. We can't exist without their jobs. I don't care how much they make as long as they give us a living wage. We aren't going to get it if we keep punishing them and driving them off.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for proving me to be 100% correct about BELIEVING the bovine excrement that corporations have been feeding to BLOTUS supporters.
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is all you got out of that? Not that his highest taxes and record regulations drove off millions of good paying jobs? You can't see that. You just think I'm picking on Obama? Your so lost in Liberal bull s-it, I don't think you'll ever get it.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Ironic coming from someone drowning in corporate bovine excrement disinformation.
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What did Obama do? Did those companies get theirs when they moved out to cheaper tax countries and cheaper help with little or no benefits and left us with over 90% mostly low wage service and part time jobs? It's ok, I got mine and screw you. That's what Obama did.
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Show me where I gave you any disinformation. Prove one thing I said is wrong. This is what I like discussing issues with Liberals. Just prove what I say is wrong.
     
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    But...but...but...Obama.

    And...ahhh...but...but...but...Clinton.

    Sounds like a ****** rap record.
     
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    It is easier to state what you have got right which is nothing at all!

    Corporations will NOT go anywhere when you RAISE their taxes. Neither will the wealthy. They will just WORK HARDER in order to EARN their money instead of having it handed to them on a silver platter by their GOP lackeys and servants.

    The DISINFORMATION that corporations are the "giver of all good things" is a MASSIVE load of bovine excrement.

    Corporations don't do SQUAT to help anyone but themselves. Corporations are SOCIOPATHIC by nature and MUST be REGULATED for the GENERAL WELFARE of We the People.

    That you do not understand even the most fundamental of principles like these explains why you are a BLOTUS supporter who believes the corporate bovine excrement.
     
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    Yes, if there is no reason for continued employment, why should they? The government and the people have to provide for the peoples welfare. not some place where they make widgets to earn money. It is the governments responsibility to help citizens not some legal manufacturing entity. Taxing corporations as citizens allow them to influence elections as citizens. (citizens united)

    The government should provide a poverty level retirement and basic health care.
    Not some profit driven entity. We ask our corporations to compete against foreign companies, who do not have the responsibility of providing these benefits. We have higher wages here than most of the world.

    Citizens receive the benefits of SS and healthcare, they should be the ones who pay for it and they should be the ones who determine what benefits are received, not some profit driven entity.

    Our Budget now is 3.8 trill. out total personal income is 13 trill. We raise another trillion from other non income taxes. so about 15 trill- Medicare for all will be another 1 trill. so that is 4.8 trill out of 15 trillion About 30%. You give everyone a fed poverty level deduction and then tax them at 33%. No deductions except for 5% for a 401k.
    No deficit- everyone pays the same tax rate- everyone gets the same basic healthcare, you want supplemental cadillac plan, you can buy that.

    you make 100,000 dollars and a family of 4, (My Scenario) you get a 25,000 poverty level deduction and you save 5% in your 401. so you get taxed on 70,000 x 33% or 23,000 a year, but that gives you and your family health insurance and a retirement income of $13,000 for every adult. 80% of American families make less than $100,000 a year
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Don't you read what I put up? Or doesn't it just not sink in. In Obama's eight years in office, he lost over 300,000 manufacturing jobs. Trump has brought more than that back in just two years.

    After the crash when Obama was throwing money everywhere in low paying temp and part time jobs trying to rebuild the economy, your two biggest Blue states were out hiring Chinese building their roads and bridges. How did that help the American worker and economy? Of course Obama lied when he said he had one million shovel ready jobs just waiting on him to get elected.

    https://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/us-bridges-roads-built-chinese-firms-14594513
     
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    And yet, business generates every nickel of wealth in our society, including yours.
     
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    Corporations are effectively taxed at 10%

    How much money does the government make from taxes?
    The federal government took in $3.3 trillion in tax revenue last year. More than 80 percent -- $2.7 trillion -- came from individuals through either income tax or payroll taxes that fund Social Security and Medicare. Corporate taxes kick in just 9 percent of the government's revenue.Apr 17, 2018
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Corporations do have to have regulations to keep them honest, I agree. But go back and read about how many regulations Obama put on before leaving office and how much that has cost us the consumer and companies. What effect that had to have on driving jobs off.
     
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    corporations will most certainly move to the place with the lowest operating expenditures. Why do you think they moved to China and Mexico. They can work even harder there and make even more money for thier shareholders. Whish is what they are supposed to do.

    But to hear the right defend citizens united turns my stomach.
     
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    What percentage retiring Boomers have enough saved up for retirement in their 401k's?

    401k's are a SCAM!

    Corporations pay the BARE MINIMUM that they can get away with paying below the C-level. At the C-level there is no limit to what they will steal.

    Corporations MUST be TAXED for all of the INFRASTRUCTURE that they use and all the DAMAGE they do to our environment. They must be taxed GOUGING and for FAILING to pay LIVING WAGES. They MUST be taxed for causing HARM to We the People via products that cause obesity and related diseases. They must be TAXED for LYING to We the People about their products.

    Corporations are SOCIOPATHS and must be treated as such.
     
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    Thank you again for proving me right about your Obama FIXATION and your belief in corporate bovine excrement disinformation.
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Tell me if Trump hadn't brought all those businesses and jobs back with his cuts in taxes and regulations. You would have thousands of companies you could no longer tax and millions less workers to pay any tax. Isn't that right. Business might not pay as much taxes as the population, but without them you have millions you can no longer get taxes from either. The government isn't paying taxes. It has to come from business and who they employ. Without them government is paying welfare and food stamps.
     
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    Complete and utter nonsense!

    Wealth existed long before corporations came along!
     
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    The feckless GOP DEREGULATING corporations is what CAUSED the 2008 economic collapse.

    But don't let actual FACTS get in the way of your belief in corporate DISINFORMATION and Obama FIXATION.
     
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    You didn't read what I said. I said business creates all wealth. Corporations are only one type of business.
     

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