Senator Bob Graham and 9/11

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  1. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    And how do you know that? Oh that's right, it's because I posted my general background, you are so perceptive.

    Ah you must be a psychic, I already did that more than once because, yes, I started this thread and that's what I want to discuss in this thread.

    So far I'm so impressed with your claims.

    Maybe it's because of posters like you who constantly derail threads in order to try to make it about me.

    That's usually the case for OCT SHILLs and cognitive dissonant types. They even admit it, they're only interested in what they were fed by the US government and self proclaimed debunking sites and attack everything that questions or contradicts it and everyone who questions or contradicts it.
     
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    Same turds, different day. Another 'non' explanation of NIST's supposed fraud that you've never been able to prove, nor can you. You have to lie to make your case and I've exposed them all. Well, it looks like I'll have to do it all over again. Oh, well, if it stops the lies it's worth it.

    The broken record is on again, guys!

    Where's that dead horse? It's up for another beating, and a beating you will certainly get, Bob, if you open that thread. LOLOL

    I have university studies and science, while you have some boobytoob videos peppered with innuendo and libel. No contest, but bring it on!
     
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    You made this claim in post #43!

    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=452072&page=5&p=1066094626#post1066094626

    And in your latest post you admit to not having any experience whatsoever when it comes to actual engineering.

    Ergo you didn't comprehend anything at all about the structural failure of WTC7 that was obvious to someone who actually does have engineering education and experience.

    The actual videos and the simulation clearly demonstrate that the building had an internal structural failure. The cause of the structural failure was explained in the NIST report. The building itself was supported by cantilevered trusses over the substation which was burning out of control. Once one of the trusses failed internally the others could not bear the additional weight and that resulted in a cascading failure from within the building itself.

    It is patently obvious that it is a waste of time dealing with the closed minds of those who believe in farcical conspiracy theories.

    Have a nice day.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    The average person cannot tell the difference between molten steel, molten aluminum and molten glass.

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  6. Bob0627

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    I also added this sentence which you conveniently omitted:

    And furthermore I can say the exact same thing about you Mr. Hypocrite, especially given the fact that as one with an alleged engineering background, you bought the NIST report as fact, something NIST intended for people like you, despite their admission that it was merely a concocted theory.

    Of course they both clearly demonstrate that the building had "an internal structural failure", the question is the cause of such structural failure. But you deliberately avoid the FACT that the NIST simulation matches NOTHING about the actual videos. You have to be suffering from some serious eyesight impairment to fail to see the vast differences and that the animation stops for no earthly reason other than that the differences would have been much more acute if it continued. You also have to be suffering from the same affliction to fail to see that the graphic represents NOTHING about WTC7. And you also avoid the FACT that these two NIST publications are FRAUDULENT, which is the heart of the issue in the first place.

    See this is what I mean, you wear blinders on the subject. NIST's report was all about an admitted "PROBABLE COLLAPSE INITIATION", a THEORY, one based on many fallacies. It had nothing to do with any legitimate investigation or reality.

    Yes I agree, that's exactly what the OCT is and especially with those with closed minds who can only go by what they're fed by the US government and its army of SHILLS.

    You too bro, keep up the good work, so far you haven't convinced anyone that the OCT is fact but you never know, you might get through to some fool one day. I still have no clue why you're still in this thread and what point you might have. But that's ok, you are irrelevant, just another troll trying to derail this thread.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Whether that's true or not it has nothing to do with this thread, stop trolling.
     
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    He's answering Scott's request so he's not trolling. WTF is wrong with you? Why do you have to take every opportunity to prove to the world that you're an objectionable POS? It's an obvious talent you have, so you don't need to advertise.

    Scott, as to your question, the previous response said it all. I have one for you which you won't answer, 'why is molten steel significant to you?'

    Please don't reply with a boobytoob video. Explain your position.
     
  8. Scott

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    Tell us what would melt the glass or aluminum to make it pour out of the side of the building.
    https://www.google.es/search?q=molt...ved=0ahUKEwiY3YaQtZ3MAhVLDxoKHQw_CQsQ_AUIBigB

    I'm no expert but it doesn't seem like the conditions were right for the melting of glass or aluminum (see excerpt from below video).

    September 11 -- The New Pearl Harbor (FULL)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DOnAn_PX6M
    (2:58:05 time mark)

    The molten metal pouring out of the building seems to be consistent with the thermite scenario.
    https://www.google.es/search?q=molt...ved=0ahUKEwiY3YaQtZ3MAhVLDxoKHQw_CQsQ_AUIBigB


    Tell us what you think of John Gross's refusing to give his email address to the guy who was asking him about molten steel.

    9/11: NIST engineer John Gross denies WTC molten steel (extended)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SLIzSCt_cg


    The experts say thermite melted steel.

    An expert's saying that is nothing to sneeze at.

    Richard Gage on KMPH Fox 26 in Fresno CA - Nano-Thermite Explosive Used on 9/11
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkcxVdDSAY4
    (2:45 time mark)


    Your ridiculing YouTube doesn't help your credibility; all the evidence we have to go on is on the internet.

    Anyone can post on YouTube so there is sophistry and there is evidence presented by sincere truth-seeking experts.


    Your questions seems to impy that you haven't looked at the truther position as it's all explained very clearly. You should understand the arguments that you're against. Watch the video "New Pearl Harbor" which is above and also this one.

    ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS FOR 911 TRUTH (full unreleased version)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-V1CiuGMJo
     
  9. Bob0627

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    No matter what you believe, that no one within the US government had anything to do with 9/11 or that it was an inside job, protecting, pandering, selling arms and groveling to a sovereign nation that is strongly suspected to have been involved in a direct attack on the US is treason.

    Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. - Article III Section 3 of the United States Constitution

    White House threatens to veto 9/11 lawsuit bill

    Washington (CNN) - A bipartisan bill to let families victimized by the 9/11 terrorist attacks sue Saudi Arabia ran into sharp setbacks Monday, as the White House threatened a veto and a GOP senator privately sought to block the measure.

    The move comes as presidential candidates from both parties are seizing on the legislation to score points with New York voters ahead of Tuesday's critical primary there.

    And it has pit the likely next Senate Democratic leader, Chuck Schumer of New York, squarely against the Obama administration.

    The White House and State Department are bluntly warning lawmakers not to proceed with the legislation over fears it could have dramatic ramifications for the United States and citizens living abroad to retaliatory lawsuits. The President lands in Riyadh Wednesday for talks with Saudi Arabia over ISIS and Iran at a time of strained relations between the countries, making the bill's timing that much more sensitive.

    Read the rest ...

    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/18/p...l-veto-threat/index.html?eref=rss_middleeast#
     
  10. Bob0627

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    The bigger point IMO is that John Gross LIED when he said he never heard anyone mention molten steel. It was all over the news in NY for weeks after 9/11. I know because I lived in the area at the time. Remember this was the agency the US Congress funded and tasked with investigating the collapse of the 3 towers on 9/11.
     
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    Good point. I was thinking about that too.

    I only just started checking out this issue about the Saudis. I've only read a little but it seems that the issue is about whether the Saudis helped the hijackers. The evidence shows that there were no hijackers and that the US government itself was behind it. Isn't this issue about the Saudis just a trick to draw attention away from the idea that the government was behind it?
     
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    I have no idea if this is a "get the Saudis card" or not. The hijacker story is as dubious as everything the US government fed us about 9/11. Regardless of what the reality is, there is another reality, that the US government has been and continues to coverup 9/11 and is now protecting a foreign government that may have been deeply involved in 9/11. By covering up 9/11, the US government is criminally complicit in 9/11. This was true with the Bush administration and is true with the Obama administration. So the US government is now mired in its own OCT cesspool and that OCT includes the classified 28 pages that implicates the Saudis.

    You see the SHILLS and cognitive dissonant types want to tell you that there's nothing more to discuss about 9/11, it's all as we were fed. But as you can see quite graphically, there is so much more that's being hidden behind the proverbial curtain that they know NOTHING about even in defending the OCT. To defend their position, they will downplay it by saying that we already know the Saudis were involved so the 28 pages will reveal nothing we don't already know. What they will not tell you is the OBVIOUS, that the US government continues to coverup 9/11 and protect an enemy that it is very much in cahoots with.
     
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    We will probably find out pretty soon Bob about the Saudi connection ... certainly before Obama leaves office ...

    but it is going to take you engineering geniuses to prove the ridiculous CD theories ... and empty planes ... or whatever BS you want to posit ...

    but please keep amusing me with your drivel ...

    Sincerely,

    OCT Defender
     
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    I wouldn't be that certain about it if I were you. So thank God I'm not you. I posted an article just recently claiming the WH is resisting and threatens to veto any such bill. The timing is awful for the poor gubmint, Obama has to go and bend over for the royal family. How is that going to look for him if he fails to prevent the release?

    So once proven by engineering geniuses, who is going to look ridiculous exactly? It's already done, so check the mirror.

    Or fire induced collapses BS, 3 on the same day, 2 looked almost identical and the 3rd looked like a classic successful controlled demolition, free fall and all. And those "raging" fires?

    [video=youtube;HjrpKV_mI18]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjrpKV_mI18[/video]

    But you have to hand it to NIST, they did a great job, their reports became an integral part of the OCT and most people just like you bought it. It was easy because it's OFFICIAL.

    "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” - Joseph Goebbels

    And you with yours. Thanks for your permission to post the above "drivel".

    Since when have you ever been sincere?
     
  15. Scott

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    It sad that there still seem to be people that take the official version of things as fact. Here's some info for them if any are lurking.

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=chomsky+media&aq=f
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=ES&hl=es&v=Wi5h3vZl6uo
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5rdRlOSBoY
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media/MediaControl_Chomsky.html
    https://chomsky.info/199710__/
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media/media_watch.html
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Propaganda/Propaganda_page.html
    http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/official_culture.htm
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Herman /Propaganda_System_One.html


    Here's a scientists who says that it's impossible to get something published in a science journal if it goes against the official version.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bAE7FGdNmA
    (00:16 time mark)

    Here's another case of official mainstream journals publishing untrue information.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1m3TjokVU4
    (1:36:40 time mark)

    At about the 30 minute mark of this video a scientist says that science fraud is common.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buosgl6J3Kw


    Scientists at the Rand Corporation say that depleted uranium is safe.
    http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/docs/b04151999_bt170-99.htm

    There are other scientists who say the opposite.
    https://www.google.es/search?q=depleted uranium&tbs=vid:1&gws_rd=ssl


    Here's some evidence that it might even be downright dangerous to try to come forward with the truth.
    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=9/11+witnesses+mysterious+deaths
     
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    Here's more possible evidence on that subject. The parents of Michael Strange, a member of SEAL Team 6 who were allegedly involved in the assassination of the alleged Bin Laden were interviewed and believe their son was set up to be murdered in Afghanistan in the helicopter crash incident. They have been stalked by the NSA and are currently involved in two lawsuits.

    The actual interview begins at about the 8:00 mark. The video includes an interview with James Corbett about the 28 pages which begins at about 40:20.

    [video=youtube;HmQkK9IsANY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmQkK9IsANY&feature=youtu.be&t=41m35s[/video]
     
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    Let's remove the stupid from this whole thing right now!

    Saudi has never done (*)(*)(*)(*) to us. If Saudi wanted to hurt us , then all she would have to do is have a garage sale with all her American assets. Saudi had no reason to have anything to do with 9/11. Did Israel?

    On the day of the 9-11 attacks, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was asked what the attacks would mean for US-Israeli relations. His quick reply was: "It's very good…….Well, it's not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy (for Israel)"

    1) It was not Saudi agents arrested that day while filming the collapse of the towers... it was Israel's. And It was not these very same Saudi agents, but Israeli agents who were described as celenrating with dancing and laughing and high-fiving each other.

    2) It was not Saudi agents caught approaching the George Washington Bridge with bombs, foreign passports, and a bunch of cash... again, it was Israeli's.

    3) An anonymous call had tipped the cops off not claiming it was the Saudis or the Israelis, but that they were Palestinian. Does that make sense?

    4) Saudi Arabia had no connection to Urban Moving Systems, But it turned out to be a front for the Mossad.

    5) There was never a mention of Saudi art students, but sure as hell you need to google "Israeli art students."

    6) How many Saudis have ever been implicated spying on America? What about Israel?

    7) How many false flag attacks against America or her allies has Saudi Arabia attempted? What about Irael?

    8) Odigo Systems, where advanced warnings of the attacks have been known almost since that day, is not connected to Saudi Arabia, the company is directly connected to Israel.

    [​IMG]

    They are about to start another war on another one of Israel's enemies and American kids are going to die fighting for total bull(*)(*)(*)(*) after being flown across an ocean yet again, to go kill kids they never even met.
     
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    You have a way to remove the fanatical OCT defenders?

    Except if the Saudis were actually implicated in 9/11, all their assets in the US would be frozen by the courts and that would be a huge problem for the Saudi economy. The Saudis did actually hurt the US back in the 1970's via an oil embargo.

    If they're connected to 9/11, I believe this would be the first.

    Ditto, except there was an attack by Israel on the USS Liberty but I wouldn't classify it as a false flag though.

    War is highly profitable and the war profiteers are salivating at the idea. Personally, I doubt this issue will result in a war between the US and the Saudis but I could be wrong, Israel would want that for sure. Let's face it, if the US government made a case for the Saudis financing 9/11, they could suck in most Americans into supporting that war. They were able to do that easily with Iraq with no evidence. What no one seems to talk about is the last two administrations are covering up 9/11 and that's the very constitutional description of treason. In a real Constitutional Republic, there would be a lot of people in Washington and those who used to infest Washington arrested. But I wouldn't hold my breath on that one, criminals don't investigate their own crimes and arrest themselves, see 9/11 as an example.
     
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    LOLOL, this thread is a trainwreck of bigotry! :boxing:
     
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    Many more experts have disproved the Harrit/Jones paper. I believe the majority of experts as opposed to a duo of cranks. Even Farer claimed that there was no evidence for CD and he was on Haritt's team!

    You need to get away from the populist sites and investigate the academic material.
     
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    It's sad that 9/11 truther cranks walk among us, breed and vote.
     
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    You're playing dumb about the info in post #65.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=452072&page=7&p=1066103668#post1066103668

    http://www.whale.to/m/disin.html
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    9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.
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    The point I made is that your so-called "Academic material" is controlled and can't be taken seriously.
     
  23. Bob0627

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    I've seen this time and time again, when they run out of arguments, the last resort is:

    "So why don't you take your information to a grand jury?" or some such silliness. In the case of 9/11, the legal angle has been tried multiple times with no success because it is being blocked every step of the way by the US government. It is an absolute requirement that the myth be maintained. Myths are one of the standard tools of every government with a sinister agenda.

    "A lie told often enough becomes the truth." - Vladimir Lenin

    "Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." - Adolf Hitler

    "We found the weapons of mass destruction." - George W. Bush

    This is a discussion forum, nothing more, nothing less. It isn't about "proving" every friggin opinion stated. Yes opinions are often backed by supporting links but it isn't an absolute requirement in any discussion, depending on context of course.

    The OCT however is NOT a discussion, it is a US government claim/doctrine peddled to the world in the form of official reports (9/11 Commission and NIST) and other propaganda. It is a claim that has been used and is currently being used as pretext for nearly every agenda of the US government since 9/11. The claim is not backed by any legitimate investigation as has been fully exposed and is a mass of contradictions, impossibilities, improbabilities, outright lies and known coverups. We are being used as pawns in pursuit of the US government's agenda. We have every right to discuss 9/11 and any and all the probabilities and should, as often as possible, because this is one of the most massive deceptions that has lethal and injurious implications for hundreds of thousands of people. Shills don't want any discussion outside the official party line and their job is to troll every discussion on the subject in order to confuse and derail, always demanding "proof" from those discussing it that the US government is wrong (the reverse burden of proof angle), as opposed to demanding legitimate proof from the US government that they are right and never ever raising any questions.
     
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    I don't think Breitweiser or Graham have Clue #1 as to what went down on 9/11. The Saudis may have been the stooges, but I think it was a lot more internal than that based on the known motivations of U.S. neoconservatives. Bush and Obama simply cannot open up those classified materials. No sense blaming them, either.
     
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    so you get to decide what can be discussed? ... who are you? ... I'll discuss your ridiculous OCT theory all I please ...
     

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