Senator Bob Graham and 9/11

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  1. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    Well maybe you should tell the 9/11 families that. Do you need an email address? Whether you believe their lawsuit is "stupid" or not is irrelevant, it is a fact. But sure by all means, explain your position to the 9/11 families. I'm sure they would like to hear how "stupid" their lawsuit is.

    What does that have to do with JASTA or the 9/11 families' lawsuit vs Saudi Arabia?
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    They were suing the airlines and perhaps a few other players. That's what lawyers do--sue people. As I recall, there were other potential defendants, all part of the 'military industrial complex' if you will.

    But the federal judiciary saw to it that all cases were combined. Much legal jargon and sophistry was employed, and years later all surviving family members for forced to settle, years ago. Hellerstein in the Manhattan federal district ran the effort.
     
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    I like an old saying: "You do what you can with what you got". I think there is already more then enough information within the public domain to bring the official story concerning 9/11 crashing down. I think it's just a matter of time. There are few people who believe the official story concerning JFK, I imagine supporters of the OCT concerning 9/11 will eventually end up in the same boat. The 28 pages is just the tip of the iceburg to what's out there as well...

    The 9/11 Joint Congressional Inquiry and 28 Missing Pages | Dig Within

    Saudi Arabia, 9/11, and the U.S. cover-up Part 6 | corruptdog
     
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    Your tip of the ice berg is just wishfull thinking ... nothing in 28 pages or any other released info is going to support the CD theory ... it's only going to reinforce the "OCT" ...

    I guess that the thousands of conspirators including NIST need to be deposed ... but the media whitewash won't let that happen right? ...

    refer to my Woodward and Bernstein thread ... have all the hard nails journalists been bought out? ... it's been almost 15 years now ..

    take this as you will ... I don't know what else to say ... I have addresssed every nook and crannie of that terrible day ... I find nothing other than intelligence failures ...
     
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    And you know this how?

    Who said there were thousands of conspirators?


    Link it?

    Definitely not. The truth movement has quite a few good journalists in it.

    Indeed. It's taken that long, and still the 28 pages haven't been released to the general public. But perhaps soon now...

    Albert Einstein once said: “The more I learn, the more I realize how much I don't know.” You may wish to ponder it.

    What is your take on the 28 pages exactly? Do you wish to see them released?
     
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    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    It's difficult to find anything with your eyes closed.

    ‘The Attacks Will Be Spectacular’

    An exclusive look at how the Bush administration ignored this warning from the CIA months before 9/11, along with others that were far more detailed than previously revealed.
    By Chris Whipple

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/11/cia-directors-documentary-911-bush-213353

    Even setting aside all the other obvious official story impossibilities, I wouldn't call it an "intelligence failure", I would call it a Bush failure ... to do anything, prior to and on 9/11. Oh wait, he did go golfing after he heard that the attacks were imminent, so he did do something.
     
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    To be honest, while I can certainly agree that Bush could have done more, I've never seen any direct link between him and the events of 9/11. Cheney, on the other hand, is rumored to have been behind the War Games that happened on 9/11. War Games that may well have been at the core of 9/11 itself. Gives a whole new meaning to that line from Mineta:
    **"During the time that the airplane was coming in to the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President, "The plane is 50 miles out." "The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to "the plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the Vice President, "Do the orders still stand?" And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?"**

    And then the pentagon exploded, allegedly hit by the plane approaching the Pentagon. I strongly believe that the orders were basically to stand down -.-

    [video=youtube;bDfdOwt2v3Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y[/video]

    http://dotheordersstillstand.blogspot .ca/2007/02/do-orders-still-stand.html
     
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    The direct link is in plain sight, he did nothing. That's known as a STAND DOWN.
     
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    He did -something-, everyone did. And unlike with Cheney, there is no guy asking him if the orders still stand while a plane is about to hit the Pentagon and Cheney saying that ofcourse they do and moments later, the Pentagon has a gaping hole in it. I've read a fair amount on 9/11, but I have found some evidence linking his father, one of his brothers (Marvin Bush I believe) and even a cousin Walker Bush to 9/11, I've never found anything that I would say is a smoking gun to Bush Jr.'s complicity in it himself. The closest I've come is him going to see the Mormon leader Gordon Hinkley one week before Bringham university decided to put Steven Jones on "administrative leave", but I can't help but think that perhaps Cheney or his dad just told him to see them without actually giving the true reason why...
    The Mormon's Galileo: Professor Steven E. Jones
     
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    To add a bit more regarding Bush and Steven Jones, I think this article from journalist Christopher Bolyn is quite good:
    9-11 - Bush Was Behind Silencing of Dr. Steven E. Jones on Thermite

    The line that grabbed me the most:
    **Mormon friends of mine told me that President Bush had visited the elders of the church shortly before Jones was framed by the NPR affiliate at the University of Utah. One of the subjects of the meeting, I was told, was how to silence Professor Jones.**

    There's even a picture of George W. Bush sitting down with Hinkley and other leaders of the Church of Latter Day Saints (Mormons) in there...
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    You're probably right that the 28 pages would not address at all the matter of controlled demolition, but that's not particularly relevant or meaningful.

    What the release would do is add to the already huge pile of circumstantial evidence that contradicts the official story.

    There is a reason Bush and his cronies on the commission classified the information--it is harmful to the official narrative. It's not rocket science, just human behavior.
     
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    the truther credo ...
     
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    I think Eleuthera is being far too modest of the huge pile of evidence that contradicts the official story. Google defines circumstantial evidence as "evidence that relies on an inference to connect it to a conclusion of fact—like a fingerprint at the scene of a crime. By contrast, direct evidence supports the truth of an assertion directly—i.e., without need for any additional evidence or inference." As an example of evidence regarding 9/11 that I believe goes beyond simply circumstantial evidence, I believe that the characteristics of the collapse of the Twin Towers and WTC 7 directly points to controlled demolition and is clear to anyone who has truly studied the collapses. For more information on that front, feel free to take a look at AE911Truth's evidence page:
    http://www.ae911truth.org/news/evidence.html

    Conversely, I and many others strongly believe that it is the official story that is the one that relies largely on circumstantial evidence. Case in point:
    Colin Powell promised a “white paper” from the State Department to establish the authorship of the attacks by al-Qaeda. This was never forthcoming, and was instead replaced by a paper from Tony Blair, which presented only circumstantial evidence, with very few points actually relating to September 11th.

    That's only part of 1 of 40 reasons to doubt the official story in an article I just found, the rest of which can be seen here:
    The Top 40 Reasons to Doubt the Official Story | 911Truth.org
     
  14. Bob0627

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    It's Time For Politics!!!

    [video=youtube;Kl0Qq7nHXBY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl0Qq7nHXBY&feature=youtu.be[/video]

    Pay attention at 0:52 as to what they knew. See at 3:55 what Cofer Black thinks. I believe he knows a bit better than you. Or skip the entire video (it is Yootoob after all) and I guarantee you'll find nothing just as you claim.
     

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